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[–] 249 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Gerrymandering should be a crime and conviction should mean removal from office and a life long ban on working in politics.

Now we just need a way to do that that isn't vigilante violence.

It is kind of frustrating how every system needs to resist people (usually conservatives) from acting in bad faith.

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  • [–] 157 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Now we just need a way to do that

    I have some ideas.

    that isn't vigilante violence.

    Oh. Nevermind...

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Supposedly there was a bill a few years ago to ban it that narrowly failed.

    At this point maybe the best bet would be for blue states to enter the gerrymandering arms race on a conditional basis; do it as blatantly as it's being done on the other side, with some explicit clause that it will end when fair representation is implemented nationwide.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    I just read an article this morning (tried to find it to link here but couldn't) that was talking about how it will be more difficult for Dems to lean into this strategy because most of the blue states already have independent committees to draw districts (as they should.) It basically pointed to California as our sole bastion of hope for 2026 and noted that if a bunch of the states follow suit, the Republicans will have the edge. Continues to come down to the electoral college problem with small states getting disproportionate voices.

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    [–] 121 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    What's even more unfair is area based voting, where your individual vote doesn't count to affect the government, you instead vote for a local representative which in turn effects the government. Your vote for president or prime minister should be direct, not a postcode lottery even without gerrymandering.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I don't think tiered representation is bad if 1: every person's vote is equal regardless of zip code 2: you have instant recall and can just have a representative replaced if they vote against their constituency wishes.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What your describing is called a Republic. There are several benefits to such a model.

    The most relevant was well summarized in MIB as "a person is smart, people are stupid". A simple direct democracy is great until you are relying on an uninformed population to make a time-critical decision that requires expertise. If we instead elect people who are then expected to use tax dollars to consult experts, and then represent our interests by voting accordingly, we can theoretically avoid problems (such as the tragedy of the commons).

    The downside happens when the representative takes advantage of the public's ignorance, fosters it, and wields it for personal/oligarchic gain. Ideally the people are just smart enough to see that happening and vote them out before it becomes a systemic issue...

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago*

    Just FYI, this use of republic is not recognised in political science and as far as I've seen is only used by americans justifying why their system is undemocratic. Republic just comes from "res Publica" (public affair) and means the head of state is not a monarch but a member of the public. There are very democratic republics like Finland and there are very undemocratic republics like the PRC. The way you describe a republic would apply to countries like the UK or Sweden, which are constitutional monarchies, not republics.

    Representative democracy is a better term for what you are talking about, where the population elects representatives who are able to advocate for them and take the time to become subject matter experts on running the country (idealy).

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    [–] 121 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    1000041247

    Some of these are absolutely insane

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Ah, the minority locator.

    That first one is no longer like that, but according to Wikipedia was done by the Democrats.

    It's a complex issue as well, because it's not always done for nefarious reasons. If say 20% of a city is black, they might bundle them up so that they end up with one black guy and four white guys running the city, rather than the 5 white guys that would come from a "fairer" distribution.

    But it's all just window dressing on the fact that first past the post systems aren't fit for purpose. If I vote for something, I want that counted at all levels up to the national level, not just thrown away because my particular group of streets doesn't like it.

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    [–] 85 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Why even have the system with districts? Just calculate all the votes and see who wins? If you live in a place where most people vote x, why even bother to vote y. Your vote will go straight in the bin.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago

    The idea was that you get direct representation - your representative should be focused on your issues and the issues plaguing people in your district. But it breaks down today because politicians in the US just vote with their party.

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    [–] 54 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    In my opinion there shouldn't be districts at all. Too much potential for fuckery.

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    [–] 54 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I've said it many times, the US is a model example of what not to do in so so many different ways.

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    [–] 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Obligatory mention of CGP Grey and his fantastic animal kingdom voting series: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mky11UJb9AY

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    [–] 49 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It's almost like the idea that representation based on land instead of based on people is flawed to begin with.

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    [–] 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    In the USA, politicians chose the voters!

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    [–] 40 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Both sides have had opportunities to make it illegal and neither have done it. I wonder why.

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    [–] 31 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, a common pattern in pseudo democracies like Hungary...

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    [–] 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The United States is not a nation anymore. It’s a corporation. It’s also 100% corrupt. When will people come to terms with this? As long as most people are in denial of this, it will always be so.

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    [–] 30 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    I will never understand how the highest number of votes isn't winning. Bucha cheatin ass bitches

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    [–] 25 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    why not count each person instead to avoid the issue entirely

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    [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Integrity is most common in other countries, but not in the united states.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The more I hear about this Jerry Mander fella, the less I care for him.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    You jest, but it was named after a person:

    The term "gerrymander" originated in 1812 from the redrawing of Massachusetts state senate election districts under Governor Elbridge Gerry. The newly shaped districts, particularly one in Essex County, were said to resemble a mythological salamander. Federalist party members, critical of the practice, coined the term "Gerry-mander" (later shortened to gerrymander) by combining Gerry's name with "salamander"

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Where do we draw the line?

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    [–] 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Ah yes, because there are only two parties.

    This is entirely an emergent property of FPTP voting. Just do PPV or something, smh my head.

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    [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Most sane countries leave electoral boundaries to an independent commission

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