tldr: Australian pressure group Collective Shout has claimed responsibility for the recent Itch.io and Steam developments that have seen the platforms change how they deal with - and in some cases remove - NSFW games and content from their respective platforms.

The group had already been closely linked with the situation, which has seen Itch.io and Steam scramble to appease payment providers like Visa as they suddenly took an interest in the kind of games available on the platforms, especially those which contravened rules and "standards" the payment providers apparently had. It led to Itch.io deindexing all NSFW content from its browse and search pages, and Steam introducing vague new rules about adult content, while removing a slew of games.

"In response to false claims and misinformation about our campaign, we're setting the record straight," wrote Collective Shout in a Facebook update. "Some have asked why we involved payment processors, and others have claimed we are responsible for Itch.io removing all NSFW content.

"We raised our objection to r*pe and incest games on Steam for months, and they ignored us for months. We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond to us.

"We called on Itch.io to remove rpe and incest games that we argued normalised violence and abuse of women. Itch.io made the decision to remove all NSFW content. Our objections were to content that involved sxualised violence and torture of women."

Collective Shout shared a timeline of the campaign on its website, noting how it began with No Mercy, a game which involves extreme sexual violence, being brought to its in March. The group's actions - a mixture of petitioning, emailing, and lobbying - began in early April and led to the game being removed from sale later that month.

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[–] 215 points 1 year ago (1 child)

We need to ignore them, they're obfuscating from the real issue. Payment processors should not have the ability to police content, full stop, end of discussion.

The person who tattled is absolutely irrelevant and a distraction

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    [–] 147 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Steam ignored them, presumably, because they sell their products in accordance with the law, and that's all that ought to matter.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (15 children)

    hot take: people ought to start forming morals outside of legal morality. a Lotta freaks are gonna end up illegal otherwise and the freak factor certainly includes some thing you do that your prudish neighbor doesn't like

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

    In this context it's definitely a hot take considering the prudish neighbor was able to make freaky shit "illegal" anyway, and in far greater capacity than any single government could. Rape and incest games ain't for me but when they get banned because a handful of people decide for the rest of us how the world is supposed to look like without anyone else getting a say in the matter I take serious offense. At least if they went the legal route the process would've a) been transparent and given an opportunity for others to make a case and b) not instantly affect the entire world.

    This "scary government is going to take away your rights" just leads to private enterprises taking away your rights without any oversight. This entire thing is a case in point. The government can take away your rights but at least you have a way to fight for your rights, what are you going to do against oligopolistic payment processors taking away your rights?

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  • [–] 79 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    They are ok with murder and war simulation then? ROFL Smells like another religious pressure group tbh, haven't looked into them yet.

    They should go after all violence in games and media then; we'll see how well they can fend of the pressure... Not sure if they have the ressources to survive that, so I would LOVE to see them try.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    By all accounts they aren't religious, we don't have *gestures broadly to American Evangelicalism* going on here in Aus. They just seem to be TERFs and SWERFs.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    Oh it goes deeper than that.

    Check out their FAQ. They’re cool with the dehumanization of males too. They’re only advocating for “dehumanization” against females.

    A game about torturing women? Unacceptable.

    A game about torturing men? Acceptable 👍

    They mention some bullshit about how one happens more often and the other doesn’t so that justifies being hypocrites.

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    As they should have. Why should Steam or Itch.Io have to respond to every tiny cult of religious nutjibs making ridiculous requests?

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    [–] 56 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Our objections were to content that involved sexualised violence and torture of women.

    Okay so why did m/m smut games get delisted? Get fucked, puritans.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    because MC and Visa are morons. According to them in porn 4 fingers and a thumb in a vagina is fine. as soon as you take said fingers and thumb, ball them into a fist, and then stick it in a vagina then they got problems with THAT and it's a no go.

    They have more stupid rules. If you piss on a woman in Europe and film it then it's fine. If you piss on a woman in the US and film it then it's not fine. IF you take the footage of someone pissing on a woman IN Europe and SELL it in the US then that's fine. But Americans are not allowed to pee on Americans on US soil according to Visa and Mastercard.

    here's another one: Incest Porn is not fine according to Visa and MC. "but I see that stuff all the time!" I hear you say dear reader. Yes, because according to MC/Visa you MUST establish that this is a step family relationship in the beginning BUT further into said video you can drop the "step-" moniker and start throwing around regular dads and moms and brothers and sisters all you like.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    it's really wild that payment processors have decided to be the arbiter of content on the Internet.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    they've been doing it since the late 90s/early 00s. Visa and MC have a list of "rules" for porn companies and have had them for decades. Why the vast majority of adult entertainment companies use third party processors like CCBill to specifically deal with that shit.

    These dumb fucks in Australia think they're ahead of the curve or doing "something that has never been done before" but nah man they probably did talk to Visa and MC but highly doubt they pushed them to anything. it was more like Visa/MC said "oh yeah we did this before...yeah we should probably apply what we did to Porn to the gaming industry."

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Don’t forget ad companies! Those ad companies love a squeaky clean, family fun internet.

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    [–] 52 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Next they are banning sex toy purchases, r rated movies, tabacco, vape and alcohol.

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    [–] 48 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Hey Australia, we've got enough stupid moral crusader nut jobs here in America; please stop making yours our problem too.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Don't forget Ruport Murdoch who's been pushing the right wing agenda across the country is an Australian export. This is not unusual from that country honestly.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Someone down under needs to send some complaints about them in. There is no way anyone who projects that much isn't guilty of something.

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    [–] 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Why is their logo a pink asshole?

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Why are you censoring words?

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    sounds like it's time to bring the 90s back. rotten.com here we go.

    they want to stop the sale and purchase of adult content, so just give it away for free. shareware that shit and spread it like VD.

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    [–] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Their logo is a butthole - is this some sort of elaborate troll??

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm expecting many services to accept alternative payment methods soon, just to beon the safe side from meddling ex-monopolies.

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    [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Nitpick: I'd like to know what part of incest implies violence and abuse.

    Btw, does anyone know if Madmind Studios' games were delisted as well? Agony and Succubus would make the fuckwits of Collective Shout shit themselves

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago

    Leaving aside how gross it is, and separate from whether corporations should be the arbiters of morality:

    Incest between parent and child, even if the offspring is of legal age of consent, would imply an insurmountable power differential as well as likely grooming. Incest between siblings would depend on the age differential and authority structure of the family. It's not a case of incest=abuse, but of how likely it could imply abuse. The challenge is nuance. The goal is harm reduction

    I understand that for some incest porn is enjoyable, not because they would commit incest themselves, but because incest=forbidden=naughty=sexy. Maybe that's you? In any case, you asked how violence is implied, and that's my take

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    So I appreciate the pushback, but for those of us with the option, what should we choose? Amex? Discover? Bitcoin is non-viable.

    I just want a solution, not another problem. I live in America, and we have WAY too many problems already.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Discover seems to be the best bet to me so far.

    Discover is on the JCB, UnionPay, Troy and RuPay. (japan, China, turkey, and India respectively). Probably many more.

    Similarly, a JCB card should work wherever Discover is. It's a billateral alliance.

    Oh, and all Discover cards work on Diners Club International because those two networks completely merged.

    Alliance members are not 100% acceptance. It seems like 95%+ acceptance though (most JCB will accept most Discover cards and vice versa, though you will get confused looks from the locals). It sounds like there's a lot of old equipment around the countries that break compatibility but cities and other urban areas with new equipment shouldn't have any problems.


    I'll probably get a Discover card and start testing this out. I already have Visa and Mastercard but this new censorship issue seems serious enough to make me start supporting a 3rd place competitor.

    Between Discover vs AmEx, it seems like AmEx is about elite club / customer service / returns etc. etc. nice features but I'm not sure if it's worth the price.

    Discover is free of annual fees, reasonable cash back, mediocre costs for the merchants (better than AmEx anyway and comparable vs Visa) and a surprisingly huge offering of international compatibility (RuPay, JCB, UnionPay, etc Etc). It seems like the winner to me as a 3rd card to experiment with.

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    [–] 10 points 1 year ago (24 children)

    You know if we're doing a numbers game Australia really exports a lot of shitty stuff. I mean the trade imbalance of fucking garbage Australian bullshit it's pretty severe.

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