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This is one of those trainwreck personal essays that I can't let go of, despite it being a 35-minute podcast episode about a middle-aged women describing how she's bad at dating. Part of it is the fascination of it being honest enough to tell on its author while still omitting key details, part of it is wondering about the craft of writing in the year of our lord 20 and 25 when folks are out writing 14,000 word thinkpieces instead of taking the less embarrassing option of seeing a therapist (there is a therapist quoted in the article but it's her friend and she talks about "justify[ing] the phallus," so maybe it's not a given that it'll help).

The tl;dr:

  • She and her now-ex-husband opened up their marriage (no details on how that conversation got started)
  • She caught feels for her boyfriend despite him being up front about not committing
  • She divorced her husband
  • Boyfriend still didn't want to commit
  • She started dating before the ink was even dry on the divorce papers
    • I haven’t been dating long (just the other day my ex-husband and I received our Judgment of Divorce as an email attachment), but long enough to discover that I have a type. He is gentle, goofy, self-deprecating, rather deferential, a passionate humanist, a sweet guy, a “good guy.” He tends to signal, in various ways, his exemption from the tainted category of “men,” and it is perfectly understandable that he would wish to do so. It must be mildly embarrassing to be a straight man, and it is incumbent upon each of them to mitigate this embarrassment in a way that feels authentic to him.

  • The guys she dates either ghost her or beg off with lame excuses rather than "man up and [expletive] [sic] her"
  • There's an aside where a former lover explains what's wrong with the essay and she ignores him

This isn't to say there isn't a lot of deserved frustration directed at heterosexual men in particular (hi, cishet dude here currently signaling my exemption from the tainted category of "men", please let me know if I'm doing a good job in the comments marx-hi) and the dating scene in general, but resorting to "heterofatalism" seems like a rejection of having to do the work to create and sustain a relationship.

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[-] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago

The article is funny, not because she's funny but because she is so damn pretentious and up her own ass. The writing is like a cross between the main character in Sex and the City, and Contrapoints' annoying pontificating.

Privately, jokes aside, I am quite susceptible to penis — like, I worry that in some Hobbesian state of nature I might just automatically kneel to the prettiest one —

This is just funny tho, relatable I guess lol.

If the experts say my romantic letdowns have some larger social significance, I am not going to argue. The men I want are not wanting me badly enough, not communicating with me clearly enough, not devoting themselves to me: All this certainly seems calamitous enough to warrant an “ism.”

Like, are you serious??? i-cant

I meet this type around sometimes: fluent in the language of polyamory, waving his respectful desire around like a plastic light saber: Pew pew. Why would you play with just one toy when you can take turns with all the toys? While at the same time vaguely subverting … something. Capitalism?

Lightsabers do not make a pew pew sound.... sigh.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

she is so damn pretentious and up her own ass.

You weren't kidding. Like lady, girl, homie, fam, guy....you aren't having trouble dating because of the inherent problems with cishet men (which there is a lot wrong with us and our behavior). You're not finding relationships because you're insufferable to be around and men you encounter are deciding it's not worth the effort to build a relationship with you. They are letting you down gently with their rejections or you are ignoring why they say they are no longer interested.

"Sorry I can't make it today, feeling too anxious," is what I (a man with an anxiety disorder) say when something is going to be a stressful chore. Usually I keep that to myself and just stay in bed, but this guy at least had the goddamn courtesy of texting you that you are too much of a chore to deal with.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

I couldn't make it more than a couple of paragraphs. I'm too old for this cognitohazard shit.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

He tends to signal, in various ways, his exemption from the tainted category of “men,” and it is perfectly understandable that he would wish to do so. It must be mildly embarrassing to be a straight man, and it is incumbent upon each of them to mitigate this embarrassment in a way that feels authentic to him.

The guys she dates either ghost her or beg off with lame excuses rather than "man up and [expletive] [sic] her"

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuup lmao....wants all the benefits of heterosexual privilege but none of the problems. Any feminist man is going to get the ick.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

why won't the type of person I want be a different type of person?

why won't the person I want, want me how I want to be wanted?

[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

The mind of the author is definitely a land of contrasts.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

chad homofuturism vs virgin herterofatalism

[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

she should try dating that claude tinder guy.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

Seeing the NYT header dead-dove-1

Skimming the op-ed anyway kombucha-disgust

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Wait, this was an article in the Times? I got through all the comments here on Hexbear and assumed it was some second tier blog. Christ they’re really hot garbo if they’re printing this self-aggrandizing bougie navel gazing.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

I don't think it's her navel that she was gazing at. But yea

[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

"you're doing a good job of signaling." - me, another cishet guy

I struggle to read articles in this genre, but I appreciate that they remind me it's often worse to feel lonely when you aren't alone.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

heart-sickle Aw, thanks!

I don't know what exactly it is that fascinates me about them but I was glued to the "Cat Person" controversy when it happened. I had kind of a rough go of dating after ending my first relationship, which lasted 6 years, in part because I just hadn't accumulated the necessary experience and in part because it seems like app-based dating is a recipe for messiness. I eventually met my current partner and things are going well, so it might be a little "there but for the grace of god."

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

He tends to signal, in various ways, his exemption from the tainted category of “men,” and it is perfectly understandable that he would wish to do so. It must be mildly embarrassing to be a straight man, and it is incumbent upon each of them to mitigate this embarrassment in a way that feels authentic to him.

I’m a bit torn on this, as yes straight men do be doing embarrassing things. On the other hand, no offense to OP although I think you were being a bit joking about it, a dude making a big thing out of displaying his “mitigation of the embarrassment of being a straight man” is a red flag. That’s the sort of behavior I’d expect from a lib that wants everyone to know he’s super feminist and supports women’s rights, but then that all becomes a rationalization for being an asshole in a relationship.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I don't know how serious the actual author was being there, either, as we don't get much about him beyond a physical description and the fact that he cites his anxiety as a reason to stop seeing her. There was also a subtle suggestion of reversed gender roles, with the author saying how frustrated and horny she was while the man is portrayed as too timid to put out.

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