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submitted 3 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Subscribed - only your subscribed communities, regardless of instance.

Local - only lemmygrad posts, all communities

All - all federated instances together, regardless of which communities you subscribe to

I ask because I realize we have a lot of communities on lemmygrad but the same 2 or 3 tend to pop up. I also noticed posts on lesser-known communities tend to take longer to see some interaction, if at all.

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I have a kind of systemic idea of what you're noticing, if you'll indulge me.

If people are using Active Sort, then most of the front page and the next couple of pages will be dominated by posts that are a day old or more at most (or, more accurately, are more old than new). Active Sort resets a posts timestamp to the most recent comments timestamp until the post is at least two days old, then it switches back to its original timestamp. The delta between a posts timestamp and the date when rank was recalculated heavily impacts a posts rank. The score (upvote - downvote = score) then influences the rank some. So, this means that posts that generate comments have a higher likelihood of remaining on the front page, since each comment makes the post appear "newer" to the algorithm. This makes the post more likely to be on the front page, garnering it more chances for upvotes and comments. So long as the topic is "chatty," it remains on the front page.

There is a minimal window of time that determins when a post lives or dies. It's, I think, the first 5 hours of the thread existing. If the post can't generate any comments in the first 5 hours, it's effectively off the front page (contingent on volume of new threads), and most people likely won't see it.

Scaled Rank is supposed to solve this by considering statistics about the community the post comes from; the smaller the community is or the lower its engagement, it gets an inverse proportional boost to its rank calculation (lower = more boost, higher = less boost or no boost). It doesn't consider new comment timestamps.

Hot Rank, only considers the post's original timestamp and its score, which can make its rank results look very similar to Scaled Rank but also means that posts typically fall off the front page in at least 5 hours, moving newer threads up in the ranks faster. A newer thread that gains substantial votes in a small window of time hits the front page faster as the others decay. Those higher-scoring posts will fall off, even if they're generating more "conversation." (I put this in quotes because, that "conversation" could also be drama, arguments, struggle sessions, whatever you want to call it. All comments are "positive" to the algorithm regardless of its content)

The "reddit model" Lemmy is emulating requires a network effect to work properly. On a larger scale, open community creation is good since it lets more niche interests have a space to collectivize, and that list of interests is crowdsourced. However, when you do not have the correct scale for that model, you don't have enough people to support or sustain those niche interests. In theory, the network effect generated by federation should allow for niche interests.

In practice, however, the LemmyUI and the nature of its federation mean that to the end user, what is listed in the "Communities" tab are all the communities that exist. You can switch the view to All, instead of Local, but that list is only a list of "all remotely subscribed communities" and not "all communties on all connected instances". So discovery of those external communities is basically contingent on users A) knowing where to find external communties, and B) subscribing to them. The LemmyUI has made strides in making that process easier (being able to subscribe to an external community, from that instances page, to your local account on your instance). Due to the barriers to community discovery, the network effect that should be generated by federation is extremely hampered. This leads to nearly every instance having its own version of a generalized niche, like gaming, TV, movies, music, news, etc. What makes those groups unique then is the moderation and the underlying ideological presentation of the instance.

There are numerous communities on Lemmygrad, and that's due to community creation being open to everyone; however, the number of communities, I think, is out of proportion to the local user base. Lemmygrad gets, according to its front page, 524 unique active users a month, and from the /site/ API endpoint, it has 694 communities (I double checked this by using community/list?type_=Local and got 556 local communties, not sure why there is a discrepancy). That's just over 1 community (1.3) per user a month. That definitely isn't enough people to support all the different niche communities that exist on Lemmygrad. To put it into contrast, Hexbear has 1649 unique active users per month and 137 communities (again, double checked this and got 115 local communities). Because of the nature of community discovery, there isn't a good way to expose the wider network to all of Lemmygrad's niche communities to try and build an external subscriber base.

How many of these communities have active moderators, I wonder? Are these communities the result of a handful of users creating them, or are they almost all owned by unique people? I know I'm guilty of this. I have a community that only I can post to called [email protected]. My use of it ranges between using it as a personal blog or an archive for comments I make. Probably not the best usecase for a Lemmy community, frankly.

I wonder if a more directed and curated approach to communities, in the way that Hexbear curates its list of communities, would be beneficial to Lemmygrad.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Sometimes I will switch my feed on newest first so I can find more content before it gets buried amongst the popular threads. Regarding communities, I honestly feel Lemmygrad has a great variety communities, which is necessary to be able to post to relevant communities. I often have issues making posts in the right hexbear community because my topic doesn't really fit into the small list of communities. For example, the Funny community here is great because it covers a wide range of humorous content, but hexbear...memes, videos (though that community is better for sharing more interesting content or showing videos of one's interest), maybe news if news related, I don't even know what chapotraphouse is for and it gets treated like a niche community, not sure if chat is really equivalent to our comradeship/freechat community which helps covering any other niche posts.

The only issue with many communities in small instances is that the moderators for those communities often are not active anymore, but the community is still useful. I would like to create a community, but I really don't have the time or capacity to handle moderation. That's why I think a lemmy like social media where tags are used and a more centralized but larger group of moderators could encourage more equally distributed activity across different niche content.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Local on lemmygrad and hexbear

Subscribed on lemmy.ml because many communities, instances, and users are filled with toxicity and liberal/fascist brainrot

I rarely use lemmy.ml anyway

Small, wholesome, humble communities FTW

Lemmygrad and hexbear feel like geniune forums with great camaraderie. I've longed for an online community that wasn't filled with toxic morons. Most social media is repugnant for me, and I missed forums from back in the day. I'm grateful that lemmygrad and hexbear have brought wholesome forums back on the menu.

It would be nice if smaller communities were able to get more attention. I wonder if making a lemmy-like federated social networking site that uses tags instead of communities to allow people to give multiple categories to posts without spamming small instances would help other content get more attention. Moderation would likely have to be more centralized, though.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

i use local because here the posts are better if i sort by local, i check hexbear without an account and if i want to comment or make a shitpost or whatever i go out of my way to write stuff there with this account

liberals piss me off

also i am proof that the underused communities get less traction, my sonic drawings in the sonic community are basically dead on arrival

same thing with my hyperfixation towards foss games. the games community is kinda dormant too

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Subscribed. Local cuts out hexbear and "all" assaults me with things like mander.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago
[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I tend to do local on Lemmygrad, to the point my subscribed list just needs to he reset. That being said the lemmygrad communities are all similar enough that I am fine seing them all

I will do all ocasionaly, but it feels near poitless because I have not memorized who defereted and not

On Hexbear for that account its local, I dont love hexbear UI and there posts are all hit or miss for me, I should make a subscribe list and use that their

My .ML is on all because thats how I call tp the void, and they have very few deferations

[-] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago

Mostly local, but check subscribed as well to see what's happening on Hexbear

[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago
[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

Usually local or all. Mostly local.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

Personally I've been browsing Local for years so I can see all of lemmygrad. Rarely use All or federation.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Me too. On the occasions I do use All, I don’t do it here but on lemmy.ml.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

all, hexbear has way more slop for my trough at the times i'm online

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago
[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

If I wanted all, I'd go to hexbear under a different account

[-] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

98% local, 2% all

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago
[-] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

Mostly Subscribed; All if the well runs dry.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

Didn't even know that there was anything other than local...

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

It Depends what I'm searching.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago
[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Mostly local, but i browse All when bored to see what the other instances are up to.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Mostly local and sometimes subscribed

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

All - On Browser - Light Mode

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

All, I go to local after browsing for a while or if I don't see many of grad's posts on there.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Local. I get plenty of Western warp on other instances.

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