I can't answer that question but I've always wondered why anyone switches to Brave. I installed it a few years ago because I heard it was privacy focused and it immediately hit me with a bunch of shit about crypto and rewards or something. I uninstalled it immediately.
Because it is still Chromium based and it means it is fast on Android, plus it comes packed with an adblocker by default which works wonders in closed out systems like iOS, also as many browsers (not all of them) it supports account syncing which it is always a nice plus (I can use a good working version of Brave in all the systems and keep a good flow for example).
I main Firefox in pretty much all the systems, but the Android app is missing a lot of features like tab management, and the iOS client just sucks (Brave works better there despite being Safari based too).
Brave falls under "security theatre" and is absolutely useless
And run by a homophobic crypto bro.
Who also inflicted Javascript upon the world, the incompetent piece of shit.
I won't say that's worse than the homophobia because I don't want to seem dismissive about oppression of queer folks, but it sure as Hell isn't better, either!
Attacking his politics is valid, and that does make me uneasy about using Brave. I’m curious where the security theater accusation comes from. Brave strikes a nice balance imo. If I wanted true security I would use Tor, but honestly that would add so much friction I would probably quit the internet.
Attacking JavaScript is a stupid argument. So many people just pile on JavaScript. I bet a lot of the same people are into FOSS and self hosting. If you write your app in 100% JavaScript without a backend, it can run on almost every operating system. Think about that for a second. We have the ultimate cross platform language. Yes it’s grown out of something that was originally messy, but a lot of work has been done to make it better.
Don’t attack JavaScript, attack the bad parts of JavaScript like type coercion. Yes, you can probably blame Brendan Eich for that part. Attack the businesses that are enshitifying everything.
We could have had Scheme or Python (both of which are also cross-platform, BTW) embedded in the browser instead. And yes, Netscape was seriously considering those two specific languages before Eich oozed into the situation and fucked it all up.
Javascript did not "need" to happen. The only reasons it exists are Not-Invented-Here and Dunning-Kruger Syndromes (specifically, Netscape wanting something new and vaguely Algol-like that they could name to glom onto the Java hype at the time, and Eich having the inexperience and hubris to think he could hack together a half-assed design in a week and it would somehow turn out okay).
Yes it’s grown out of something that was originally messy, but a lot of work has been done to make it better.
Yeah, no shit! Literally millions upon millions of man-hours, probably! Do you have any concept at all of how much better the Web could have been if all that effort had been put towards something actually useful instead of working around Eich's mistakes?!
I can’t speak to Scheme as I haven’t spent more than a few days using it. Python has a lot of strengths but also a lot of weaknesses. JavaScript has had to evolve with 100% backwards compatibility. The python you enjoy today would have had to evolve differently if it was the language of the browser.
Look I’m kinda young. Not that young, but too young for Netscape. You clearly lived through more of the history than I did. But imo, the thing ruining the internet isn’t JavaScript, it’s late stage capitalism and greedy companies. You could have Python or Scheme or whatever and late stage capitalism would still have ruined it.
If you feel so strongly that JavaScript is the issue, why don’t you invest your time in helping Webassebly grow? Imo that’s more useful than complaining about JavaScript.
SCNR if they were able to make good decisions, they would never have switched to chrome anyway. /s
tbh, i don't get all the mozilla/firefox hate. even "the linux project" missed the mark by a mile with his firefox critique.
whatever mozilla does, it's not even half as evil as google
We learned that from politics in general. Vote for the lesser evil, not for the optimal choice, as there is none, sadly.
Somewhere along the line Brave tricked people into thinking they weren't owned by a couple of really bigoted dudes.
In fairness Brian Bondy might be a good dude, but Brendan Eich sucks.
Do you have a source that resumes everything bad about Brave in one neat package ? I am tired of searching for sources everywhere and not finding everything I need each time someone ask me about it
I wanted to try Brave a couple of years ago. I ran the installer, and it was one of those pieces of shit installers that just goes ahead and installs without any input from the user, dumping god knows what onto your system, and it puts everything in some obscure AppData subdirectory that can't be deduced without right-clicking the desktop shortcut. I uninstalled it without even launching it once.
If a user is 50/50 on whether or not they just installed malware, you might wanna check your programming practices.
Firefox is my main browser but there's a few specific things that only work in chromium.
People will use whatever works for them.
Well reading comments here has me going to download Vivaldi to replace Brave.
Thank y'all!
How vivaldi isn't more popular with tech users that want to use chromium totally eludes me. The browser is super moddeable and the devs have so far been nothing but super open and correct to their community. I don't think there's been a single vivaldi "scandal" of note. It literally opera before that went down the drain, and is a better browser on top.
The whole "it's not open source" mantra has also been thoroughly addressed.
Also don't get me started on the brave love. It feels astroturfed. I do not get how you can genuinely shill that browser...
You literally ignored the whole comment section, you madlad.
No idea it's been plain to me is Brave is kind of dodgy to the point I've never even tried it.
cause most people just google a chrome alternative. they dont do research. brave gives them a surafce level adblocking, and they feel fine with it.
I want to use the same browser on desktop and mobile, but Firefox doesn’t support ad-blocking on iOS.
Maybe the problem is not Firefox here, but Apple.
Apple does not allow other browsers than Safari on iOS. All other browsers are just reskins of Safari.
The problem is absolutely Apple but a guy’s still gotta block his ads somehow
Extricating yourself from the Apple ecosystem can be tough for some people.
/yes, I use Android
I thought all browsers on iOS were just wrappers for the same engine (webkit?), so they really can't do much there.
Also simply compatibility, some sites just don't work (or dont work well) on Firefox or librewolf, thats one key reason I go back to brave for a lot of things.
I genuinely have not seen a site that doesn't work on Firefox in years. Probably five or more. Can you think of an example off the top of your head?
They won't make it compatible if they don't have Firefox users.
Name and shame them. Send them a complaint.
Relatedly, does anyone know if there's a public list of sites that don't work (properly or at all) in Firefox somewhere? A quick (non-Google) web search doesn't seem to turn one up. If I was working at Mozilla, that would be the kind of database I might be interested in making a public resource. And I don't mean as part of the Bug Tracker, though links between the two for legitimate problems could be useful, I guess.
Something with a very basic interface that has an offending site name, how it doesn't work, perhaps why, and what, if anything, Mozilla can do about it. In short simple sentences. One per offending site in 16pt text. And a search feature for when it runs to the hundreds.
It could be something like: [favicon/logo] example.com - Outright states that it will not support Firefox. Mozilla cannot do anything about this. Complain to Example Inc. [favicon/logo] example.net - interface is buggy in Firefox. Site misuses web standards in a way incompatible with Firefox's renderer. We are looking into this. [favicon/logo] example.org - interface does not load. Site uses non-standard Google-only CSS properties. We are looking into this, but you could also contact The Example Organisation to ask them to review their CSS. etc.
I've not had any problems with the handful of sites I use, at least not outside of something caused by browser security or add-ons which I eventually figured out how to fix.
That said, I've probably forgotten a handful I just straight up refused to visit again when they didn't work and now they're not in my regular rotation any more, so I don't notice.
Firefox is some other type of engine that renders pages differently and doesn't always work the same but brave has Chrome underneath it so it's the same thing and it's fine and uses all the same extensions and you like it
Because vanilla Firefox has to be tinkered with to get the best out of it and the average user is not able to do it
As a user of Firefox from 1-3 and quantum to current.... What exactly are you tinkering with? Install ublock and be done.
In what way?
I switched recently to Librewolf, but as a long time Firefox user (of which Librewolf is a fork anyway) it didn't seem unusable out of the box. There are some settings for privacy and studies etc you mght want to change, but they are all very obvious in the GUI preferences.
I did personally go into about:config to set a few things, like not allowing searches from the address bar because I'm weird, but what makes Firefox no good for the average user?
A good chunk of websites are just broken with Firefox and their not even broken in obvious ways. Some times they fail to load, sometimes they render weirdly, sometimes their just unresponsive. I use Firefox as my main browser but I always have something chromium based as my backup for when a website I wanna use just doesn't work. A lot of the time I don't even think to use it and assume the site would be broken on chromium as well but nope. Its almost always Firefox:/.
Haven't had trouble with Firefox for a long time. Sure, I also have chrome sitting somewhere on the hard drive as a backup but didn't need to use it for months if not years. Started to use Waterfox on one pc and I'm happy with that one too.
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