Marx failed to consider the very thing, he, wrote thousands of pages about. Tragic really.
Marx famously wrote the communist manifesto while sleepwalking, and later had no memory of the event
Conservatives believe value is pulled from the aether by priests who are capable of communing with factories.
The crazy fuckin thing is this is what they're accusing socialists of doing in the comments:
All of that sounds like it is intelligent, but the premise that value is in the object rathet than of the object makes it entirely moot.
There was more than one comment like this. Everything they say is further proof they've never once read a book and understood it, much less any socialist literature. Otherwise they wouldn't say shit like this knowing it's yet another essential concept in Kapital.
What gets me is how they don't consider reading socialist theory, even just as opposition research. You'll find plenty of socialists who have read economists like Keynes and Rothbard, politicians like Obama and Bush, or even nonsense like Mein Kampf and the Unabomber manifesto. I know I've read these authors, not believed a word of it, but took the time to understand what they were saying and what arguments they were making.
You don't see this among liberals and reactionaries post-Cold War. They're so high on the End of History narrative, they no longer feel the need to do any due diligence. Condoleezza Rice, for example, has a degree in Soviet Studies. It's why she rose through the ranks of the GOP: she was one of the foremost experts on communism from a NATO perspective. But she's been tossed aside, with everyone jumping on the Trump Train.
You'd think they would consult her regarding the current Russian-Ukrainian War or something....nope! Degrees are for nerds (plus she's black).
Conservatives think that value is pulled by the heroic owners like teeth from the unwilling, slothful, slovenly working class, and Im starting to realize that when I point out to them that wage labor under capitalism is inherently exploitative by forcing one to work for their survival needs they think this is a good thing
The lazy bourgeois economist's "takedown" of Marxism inevitably rests on dodging the arguments, because if you take Marxism dead-on they get bodied.
A fundamental weakness of socialism is that they don't understand that exploiting WTO enforced 0% import-fees implemented by SAPs and designed by the IMF to keep them in a debt-trap after a deal made with a dictator installed after CIA backed coup, I sell a pallets worth of pencils back to the company running our sweatshop in that poor country (where we pay the men $1/day (and that's only possible because women do all the other social work for "free" at home)) but I charge $1k per box of pencils so I can transfer all the profit made by them to our European office and this is actual how the value is created. Also, they don't even need pencils.
He knows all about what makes value, and understands history and how it unfolded, proving him right again and again. Marxists have never really thought about value before, and history? Marxists have been shown to be wrong over and over again. It's just history, Marxists, sorry if you don't have any framework to understand it.
This one is really causing me to twitch. Usually this kind of thing doesn't get to me, but the deep smugness behind the sheer ignorance, the smarmy certainty in their beliefs that are the exact absolute opposite of reality - it doesn't get more pure than this.
That post is nothing but circular logic holy shit. "CEOs create value and we know this statement is true because CEOs said so. You Marxists don't understand history."
: “If you love experts and the exceptional so much, then perhaps The Experts^TM^ are right about both climate change being real and also racism being for stupid people?”
: “Not THOSE experts! Economics is the only academic field that deserves respect!”
: “The Experts^TM^ in economics also say income inequality is bad.”
: “FUUUCK YOU! wall of text akin to something Sephiroth would say”
Right wing? More like the wrong wing, am I right?
I've never seen a more pristine example of a straw man, let alone in the wild. Value is fundamental to what constitutes Marxist theory. It's like claiming Garfield hates pasta. Even beyond the strawman, I'm reminded of this quote
"I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops" - Stephen Jay Gould
At which point ~~he's~~ the OP, Nick Tyrone, is going to pivot to "Capitalism lifts people out of poverty" and "it's not 0 sum" and "it's not violent, only the state is violent because starvation is a baseline" so the beauty would be wasted on him.
Iteration #90878720 of "Marx failed to consider [something Marx talked about in the first four pages of Capital]"
He has a whole book titled "Value, Price, and Profit" more of a pamphlet, but it's still longer than anything this goober would read
Marx for like 3,000 pages: trust me bro, value is just there and we just gotta take it bro
I did not spend hours of my life listening to somebody rant about linen in an audiobook to see somebody say Marx doesn't know what the fuck "value" is
we've all heard of the labor theory of value, but how about saturation and hue?
checkmate tankies
Guy has never heard of the labor theory of value, that’s embarrassing.
Someone must have told him about it last night because his most recent tweet sez:
"To all the socialists: the labour theory of value, posited by Marx, is total horseshit. Reality has disproven it again and again."
Despite liberals best efforts, I have yet to see a capitalist turn a tree into a chair by only throwing money at it.
They can also try thinking great ideas at it. Just have to really visualise that revolutionary (lol) new recliner design you thought up last night
If the money is coins and you throw them hard enough it’s kinda like water jet cutting
Look if you can get a chair from that I'm willing to overlook the fact that throwing is labor
😂 if labor didn't create value, why would anyone labor or pay someone to labor?
Capital volume 1 chapter 1: still managing to foresee and address reactionary “got-ya” moments 158 years later.
is this an example of a valuable idea created by a talented person?
what value, Gentle Nicholas, did the market assign this valuable idea? surely it is worth millions upon millions and yet you have chosen to give it away, like a turd-eating child of fools.
clearly you should keep these gems to yourself and only exchange them, quietly, with the wealthy aristocrats that can afford the splendor of your mind-diamonds.
This really is an incredibly pure gem of ideology
Talented people with ideas? Clearly, he must be referring to workers.
Sorry, the idea is money. Also the talent is money. Also I get all the value because I had the money.
The talent of being born to a rich family
the value of healthcare and housing is non-obvious to the people, you need innovation. Which is why i'm launching my rent price derivatives in la on the blockchain, so that people can reduce exposure to housing prices
Um, actually, Marx never wrote about "value" at all. He does have a bunch of texts about something called "Wert," which if I'm not mistaken is a non-cancerous form of viral growth usually occurring on the hands or feet.
“All value is caused by your betters determining it is worth something! And your betters all determined what they have is valuable and you aren’t!”
Holy appeal to authority, batman. Who wants to tell them being condescending is not a good substitute for evidence?
This is why i will never like free speech, people with absolutely 0 knowledge in a subject say things with all the confidence in the world.
We should be more forgiving. Nick Tyson clearly finished reading volumes 1-3, but forgot the first half of vol 1 as it was at the beginning of his journey.
Fuck AI slop, obviously, but the “Grok is this true” schtick is fast becoming a guilty pleasure
The labour theory of value: The value is just... like... there man. It has nothing to do with going to work and doing labour.
And he ends the statement with a sprinkle of great man theory
[anti communist preacher voice] Karl Marx was always talking about the labor theory of value, but what we need today is to return to family values
Faker Theory of Value
That beard is not hidding anything, Nick
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