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Klingons did it best.
Fun fact: the actual death from crucifiction was suffocation. Once the victim loses the strength to hold themselves up, the slouch puts some sort of stress on their lungs. There was an instance of the Romans not breaking someone's legs (which suggests that maybe that was part of the practice) so they would suffer longer. I don't remember where that info came from, but I've been reading lots of books about the first 200 years of christianity for about 20 months.
I'm an atheist, of course, just also a history nerd.
One other side note: around 1999, I wanted to make a "student" film (I was barely a student) about the life and times of christ. He'd fuck up and raise Lazarus as a zombie in one of the scenes. Never made it.
"I've read some more of this book. Apparently, if your neighbors show up at your house wanting to rape your guests, you should send out your daughters to be raped instead."
Crucifixion didn’t lead to death by starvation but by suffocation.
elaborate? (I could Google it, but I prefer human response)
Basically, once your feet/legs get too tired to carry your weight you hang from your arms. This basically means to breathe you have to push up your entire body weight with your chest muscles. After a while you get too exhausted to breathe and suffocate.
interesting, why can you breath? is the position stretching the chest making it harder?
Yes, it makes it harder to both inhale and exhale because it makes it difficult to expand or compress your chest since your whole body weight is keeping it stretched.
ok.
however, wasn't he nailed? wouldn't bleeding from those injuries kill you faster?
isn't there a part where he was also stabbed by a spear?
they really wanted him dead
The stabbing thing happened after he died.
Romans would brake the legs of crucified victims to check if they were still alive. In Jesus case they instead pocked him with a spear.
The person that wrote this part of the gospel (as in, very likley, made it up), had to write this in because they needed to keep the story of Jesus in line with old testament prophecies about the Messias, one of which speaks of said Messias beeing "unbroken". So they came up with an alternative to the leg braking.
It's one of several examples where gospel writers tried to write things into the gospel that made it look like Jesus was the Messias by inventing events about him that made his life line up with existing prophecies about the jewish messiah.
It is believed they nailed through the wrists not the hands.
You could probably put a nail through your wrist and just leave it and live your life without treating it. You'd have to be unlucky and hit a large vein and your body not clot properly, the nail would help stop the blood.
It's like the myth with a bullet. First thing is not to pull it out because it will make things worse. You can live with a bullet in you.
The stabbing of the spear, to my knowledge, was for mercy so he'd not suffer as long.
Crucifixion strikes me as the kind of punishment where they would endeavour to ensure the person would survive up there for a decent while — to prolong their suffering, and the display of said suffering. It's a grim method of execution.
It was pretty common to put a small board a little bit above the butt, placed so that you can't really sit on it without hurting your feet, but preventing that you die too soon.
I read up the current wikipedia article for this, and apparently suffocation isn't thought of as cause of death anymore since 2023! @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected]
In 2023, an analysis of medical literature concluded that asphyxiation is discredited as the primary cause of death from crucifixion. There is scholarly support for several possible non-asphyxiation causes of death: heart failure or arrhythmia, hypovolemic shock, acidosis, dehydration, and pulmonary embolism. Death could result from any combination of those factors, or from other causes, including sepsis following infection due to the wounds caused by the nails or by the scourging that often preceded crucifixion, or from stabbing by the guards.
That probably would have killed him even faster yes. Usually with crucifixions people weren’t nailed but tied to the cross with ropes.
I recently read The World Until Yesterday which compares the way of life between tribal cultures and western cultures. The section about religion has a clumsy preamble that was obviously trying to cushion the blow for religious people reading the book who thought their religion was any different to tribal religions.
The author then goes on to treat them all the same.
It was quite funny to read. I was imagining how it must feel to see your religion laid out side by side with a dozen other equally stupid myths and think "Yep this is the right one. I was super lucky to be born to parents who picked the correct religion!"
For me, a historical fiction that put norse and chriatianity on similar footing was the push that got me from "ugh this religious stuff is annoying" to "oh, it's probably bullshit, too". In hindsight, it's pretty telling that christianity puts the most emphasis on having faith no matter what evidence or lack thereof is presented, to the point where that alone determines whether one is punished, ignored, or rewarded in a way that is completely unverifiable to anyone living.
Japanese media is full of this, and it's great. All kinds of absurd cross-shaped guns and militant priests with nothing more than vague aesthetic similarities to practiced christianity. A delightful reciprocation to how western media treats japanese culture.
I maintain that the ending and plotline of Evangelion is actually closer to actual Christian canon than most people's understandings.
The original ending, End of Evangelion, or Rebuild?
The good one!
which is that?
If you go by the opinions I have seen expressed online, none of them.
Do you have any good examples; that sounds entertaining af.
The castlevania series on Netflix (maybe not necessarily anime).
Those two have heavy Christian references. However a lot of fantasy based anime have a lot of pseudo references to Christianity. Either in the form of clergy (Feiren)/cross based weaponry (Quincy in bleach)/or angels vs demons context (that kinds side steps specific religious affiliation, but heavy Christian elements).
Hellsing
Soul Eater has a bunch of it, tho it's not a very good anime. Trigun too. Really tho it's all over, it'll crop up even if you aren't looking for it.
Now that I think of it, one of the few anime I have seen; Hellsing and Hellsing Ultimate, had some of this. A priest seeking to rid the world of vampires, constantly clashing with Alucard.
This comment reminds me of the japanese cult that beliefs Jesus did not die on the cross but it was his japaneae brother instead and Jesus moved to Japan until he died of old age.
Jesus moved to Japan until he died of old age
Ah, that explains the "resurrection" - they faked his coming back to life so they could keep collecting his benefits.
The biggest cult in the Philippines, which dabbles in prosperity gospel and owns an entire arena here, believed it was some Filipino man. I don't even remember if they view him as Jesus or some other incarnation. But where I live, they have the most followers. Oh and sometimes, they get people killed, like what happened to my uncle years ago.
Shit. Sorry about your uncle. From what I read the japanese cult seems peaceful at least.
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It's full of mercy.
- Wolfwood
"We don't drink blood here. That's something Christians do." ~Satanist member
"I'm not in the business of murdering innocent children. That's God's jurisdiction."
- Lucifer, The Devil's Carnival
It's very important to note that Catholics believe that Jesus was both fully man and fully god, and in times past would straight up kill you for heresy for saying he was half man and half god.
Catholicism is all about meaningless distinctions with no basis in reality which drive them into murderous rage.
This 200% being, The fact that the bread and wine is 100% blood and flesh, don't ask.
Jesus: "What did you call me bitch?"
It’s got to have been awful to be neurodivergent in the past. I want to dig into this right now and I grew up Catholic, so I know it doesn’t lead anywhere.
me too, i always wanted to actually understand how the stuff worked, but the best answer i ever got was something related to "god works in mysterious ways" or some other bs
Normalizing a 2D vector is not part of the scripture, apparently.
(edit) I fucked up with my math. Normalizing either kind of Jesus would result in a being that is ~0.707 part divine and human. But if we assume that Jesus is both fully divine and fully human, that would make his magnitude sqrt(2), which means that Christian beliefs are based on something that is completely irrational, which I've found to be true.
Well, in scripture a circle can be 10 cubits in diameter and 30 cubits in circumference, so...
I guess all that we can conclude is that through god, all things are possible.
God doesn't play dice with the universe because the universe got fed up with his 24-sided d20s.
"Happy Easter..."
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