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submitted 1 day ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

I have little doubt that we have all heard the line that transphobes use, that your gender is what you're born with, you can't change it, etc, and needless to say this is stupid, almost as stupid as the time I saw someone on reddit trying to convince someone diagnosed with NPD they didn't actually have it (the stigma surrounding that condition is absurd). But while I'm assured most of us know that this is wrong, I still think it's important to know why, and what better way to do this than by using the very same 'basic biology' these people try to uphold?

To begin with, it's quite easy to see that the very concepts of 'male' and 'female are vague when you get into the specifics. As I have mentioned several times in the past, 'maleness' as we usually think of it is not in fact determined by the entire y chromosome, but by only a segment of it. If that segment is lost, as it sometimes is, the person in question develops as female but is chromosomally 'male', by the definitions of transphobes. So are they actually male or not? Either way, their criteria are completely broken down. And this problem isn't just limited to the Y chromosome; what about XXY men? They bear some female secondary sexual characteristics, but they are undoubtedly recognizably developmentally male. And X, XXX, and XXX+ women do exist. What about them? Should XYY men be banned from sports as well due to their supposed heightened testosterone?

To make matters more complicated, development of sexual characteristics is more complicated than just one gene. If anything downstream malfunctions, someone can end up with both male and female reproductive structures, also known as intersex people. What about them? Are they supposed to play male sports half the time and female sports the other half?

Even ignoring all this, the very conclusion that the existence of trans people is 'unscientific' is false. The consensus in the scientific community is that sex and gender are indeed separate, and can be misaligned for an individual. If they're willing to deny what actual scientists are saying for their own ideology, they're free to do that, but they have no excuse to pretend to uphold science. How do I know what scientists agree on? My anatomy and physiology textbook. From 2006.

An entire decade before the whole wokemongering bullshit started. It's not as if the authors are particularly progressive either; several other textbooks I own from the early 2000s to a few years back agree on this.

I think it's quite clear that anything transphobes say isn't based in fact, but only their own delusions. They can't deny that they don't give a shit about biology at all, which is perfectly fine to me. However, they shouldn't go around masquerading as triumphant 'experts' when they don't understand what they're trying to use as a cudgel. The sad thing is, many uninformed people will see their rhetoric online and fall for their bad faith arguments, and I think it's the responsibility of those who know better to not only tell them not only that they are wrong, but also why they are wrong.

I apologize for the terrible structure and awkward phrasing.

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago

DNA codes for RNA
RNA signals to proteins
Proteins give us our characteristics

DNA does not give us our characteristics directly. That is "basic biology". Any interference of this process causes a change of outcome.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

I would argue that that's still 'basic biology', given that most of the time when people learn about this stuff for the first time the 'central dogma' is taught in a package, and that it doesn't go over things such as ribozymes and regulatory stuff. In any case, DNA essentialism is still stupid, since it's disproved in numerous ways even without involving sex and gender (the elephant in the room being tissue differentiation)

[-] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago

In another case of "it's always projection", transphobes regularly accuse the trans community of having a "gender ideology" when it is clear from all available evidence that it is the anti-trans position that is rigidly ideological and unable to change when presented with evidence that it is wrong. The gender ideology that they are promoting is the exact same one that Western patriarchy has always promoted - women and men have to be squeezed into their little boxes and perform specifically prescribed roles and any deviation from the fairy tale is completely unacceptable.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

I've always wondered how they don't find it awkward that they're essentially professional haters to a group of people who literally couldn't want to do less with them.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Even if they take a bio-essentialist paradigm (which is unscientific and undialectical anyway) they will have a hard time explaining themselves out of genetic penetrance. They're about as scientific as so-called "race science"; it's just another vehicle to channel their insecurities as violent supremacism.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago

It's actually a self-own.

They understand basic biology, as in, the basics they were taught when they are teenagers. It's when you learn more advanced biology that you learn sex and gender are a spectrum and that they aren't actually simple binary categories.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

Eh, I would argue that sex is more like an arbitrary classification than a spectrum, but other wise I completely agree with what you're saying. And even in schools, at least from my experience, they don't teach you about gender and sex being the same thing, they only teach you about sexual characteristics and what they do. So all their arguments were essentially completely pulled out of their asses. Gender itself actually isn't discussed very much in any of the biology textbooks I own, probably because it's more psychology-adjacent. We don't really touch anything more complex than reflexes lol

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

No one is touching neuropsych in a basic biology textbook, that's for sure; but that's exactly what you have to study to start approaching gender as anything beyond a social category.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I guess a better term would be "variable" because that doesn't imply a range between two binary points. There's lots of sex variance that just naturally occurs because these aren't neat categories.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Actually yeah that's a much better way to put it. For some reason I was thinking about classification of plant parts when I wrote that reply, no idea what I was on.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

I would argue they don't understand even basic science.

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