Monopoly, stripped of it's context as a political statement, is a very mean and cruel work of art.
It shows that capitalism will market anything, even critique against capitalism.
It's the board game equivalent of people buying Che Guevara T-shirts at Primark.
No. Printing out blurbs of communist theory on collectible cards, selling binders for when you complete a 'book'.
Possibly giving them stats so they can fight each other.
The current meta is super pro centralism since the last rules change, and i got some hot boosters this week, so my maoist third worlder deck is probably my strongest right now, but i really prefer my bonnot-kropotkin deck, it's just the cards i need to make it pop off before like turn 10 are too expensive so it's kind of a mess right now.
Okay, fuck it, lets get on cockatrice and do this.
She said with white knuckled terror and a kilo of zofran.
You don't want any of that. Sure communist M:TG looks powerful, but capitalism M:TG has access to all the money buys power cards like the Power9 and all the dual lands and the broken shit that is too expensive to play with.
No, no, communist mtg will have that too. That's the point.
Say the line, Joyce
The story behind it is also quintessential capitalist bullshit
Never heard of it.
Me neither. It's crazy.
I don't count marketing as part of a videogame budget.
You might not. Finance and wikipedia does.
I'm more of a board game connoisseur and seeing people play monopoly when there is a whole ecosystem of much better designed board games out there that either already have dedicated apps or good online implementations absolutely enrages me :<
So many people think board games are just not something they like. And if you ask them what they played before, it's always any combination of Monopoly, Scrabble, Clue, Trivial Pursuit, Risk or the Game of Life.
If you look at the list of the top 20 best selling games of all time (https://moneyinc.com/highest-selling-board-games-of-all-time/), all of them are somewhere between terrible, bad and lower end of mediocre.
I mean they've got some standouts that I'm still happy to play even to this day. The only ones I hate with a passion are Monopoly and Game of Life :o
Some of them are ok, but none of them would make a list of "best board games".
What’re some of your favorites?
Spirit island is a game where "the spirits" have been living in harmony with humans on the island for generations, but now, new invaders are showing up with guns and cities and destroying the balance. You take the role of the spirits resisting the invaders to defend the island.
Gloomhaven is a massive experience that simulates a small group of adventurers dungeon delving in a fantasy world.
Terraforming mars is about.... Terraforming mars. Win historical recognition by making the greatest contribution to humanities most ambitious project.
Personal favorites:
If you do play this game make sure to use "the blue dice variant" for combat which fixes the main flaw with combat. The game length is also very adjustable by changing the amount of influence a player needs to win so you can go for an epic 3-4 hour game or a quick 1-2 hour phone booth knife fight.
I can't say enough about how much I love this game. It's always a good and loud time with players constantly interacting in often literally pokey ways :>
It's always gone over well with new players and I personally still enjoy the game but with some expansions that add a bit more crunch to things!
Here's one starting point: https://boardgamegeek.com/hotness
That website (boardgamegeek) has a lot of other resources for finding different types of games that might appeal in different ways.
Wingspan is great.
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Monopoly go is not the same as standard monopoly. It's actually a good card game in its own right.
Edit: I'm completely wrong
Are you thinking of Monopoly Deal? Monopoly go is the mobile version of Monopoly with microtransactions n shiet.
Oh shit, i totally am. Oops.
My dad (in his 50s) spends a lot of his free time playing it. Like, over an hour every day. It takes the worst and most addictive parts of every brainrot game ever made and rolls them all into one thing. Clearly it's been worth it. 🤦
Monopoly go is a mint card game like, but don't think a video game version needs to be that heavily marketed. Also I didn't even know it had a video game adaptation, so where the fuck did that money go?
Edit: I'm wrong on the game. I was thinking of Monopoly deal. I don't know what go is.
Tbh, marketing is mostly just a scam to funnel money to marketing people.
You are not entirely wrong. It's a boubble where no person involved benefits from saying "hey, is our budget too big?" It's basicly given, that any known brand have negative ROI on it's marketing, but we are all, so brainwashed with need for growrh, that that we know only one solution to decreasing results. Throw more money at it.
There's a reason many big corporations have pulled out of online advertisment and focus on print/radio/TV/sponsorships instead: The effectiveness of online advertisment can be measured and it sucks royally.
The whole concept of marketing is just a huge game of "the emperor's new clothes". Nobody wants to be blamed if they stop doing marketing and it turns out to actually do have an effect, even if everyone secretly knows it's garbage.
Yes! And we have examples natural experiments where becouse of the error advertise didn't launch in some regions... And nothing happened. And no one inside the industry is even talking like this. Bubble will burst on day and it will take entire free internet with it.
But measuring online is not that accurate as everyone portrait it to be. Long story short if you show ads to people waithing for the waiter in the restaurant than you can report that it had amazing "buying dinner conversion rate". We are getting better and that, and tools are getting better at forcing you to do it or obscure that you do it in the first place.. And it's still expensive as hell.
You are right with that, but there's actually a reason why companies book adspace on searches for their own product name (e.g. Lenovo booking ad space on searches for "Lenovo"), and imho it's even worse.
That way they want to stop competitors (e.g. HP) from booking the adspace, which would lead to HP being the first hit on a search for Lenovo.
That's pretty much digital racketeering. "That's a nice website you have there. It would be a right shame if something would happen to the traffic going there."
The branded searched keyword are the tip of the iceberg. Every campaign auto-optimize toward people in late stage of their purche yourney. For people wha already made.the dexision, but are not ready to purchase yet. But branded keywarods are a good example. While this is most common explanation given by the agencies - agencies LOVE the branded keywords - it's not supported buy any acctually reaserch. When one is done, almost without fail, it shows that branded ads for competitors doesn't work. Who intentionally clicks on HP ads while they intentionally searched for lenovo specifically? Users are very good at ignoring those and clicking on the next one. Organic or paid. All clicks are basicly exidental and are trash. This is a "cheap" defense from non-existing threat. You compeat alomost exclusively with your own organic.
There is even a study of a company who merged with his own competitor. Both brands existed perarelly for a while, so they choose to test those assubtions. Conclusion: waste of money. But agencies will die on the hill of branded.keywords every time.
Oh totally, you are right with every word you say.
They are just playing with fear to justify their existence.
That's refreshing to hear, thanks. I never manage to convince ANY of my coleagues.But I'll be using your "emperor is naked" methaphor mov8mg forward. It hit the nail in the head.
looks like monopoly go is a niantic job, so it's probably something like their earlier work pokemon go. but you... catch monopoly men? idk.
oh, maybe you buy up actual streets
Tom Vassel Reviews Monopoly And It's Expansions Like The Way A Grizzly Bear Eats A Salmon
review starts at 6:26
...did you start watching the minute they uploaded and post this the minute you were done?
yeah, I love Tom Vassel, the weird dude is a massive figure in modern board gaming and this video is absolutely perfect for this thread, so when I saw it yes... I watched it all the way through and then immediately posted it lol
Seriously, the Dice Tower is probably the most thorough and respected voice in board gaming, most board game fans have different tastes and feelings on games than Tom does, but everyone who is anyone in board gaming pays attention to what Tom Vassel says because he is a giant in the scene and honestly seems to have overall been a really good influence on the industry, at least in the US.
Sometimes I randomly watch this old video Tom Vassel made about why he hates Monopoly so I can rage with him and feel better about the universe.
this reads like an ad for dice tower... which i know they wouldn't do because they don't have that kind of audience.
i stick to susd, which means that i never buy any board games because whenever they review one it immediately goes out of stock.
It is an ad for The Dice Tower, they just aren't paying me to do it lol.
I genuinely love The Dice Tower, Tom Vassel seems like a nut, and in particular I find Zee absolutely hilarious.
shrugs
I am not saying I agree with everything they do, or endorse them or their opinions without question, what I am saying is just fuck yeah, The Dice Tower is great I have watched a ton of their videos over the years on different board games and I am not afraid to fly that freak flag high and proud I guess?
fair.
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