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Incidentally, I stumbled on this while looking for a Marx quote about how representatives of the old feudal order falsely positioned themselves as allies to the lower classes by attacking the excesses of industrial capitalism. If anyone has that quote, please let me know.

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[-] [email protected] 54 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

This person envisions a proper society being ruled by a pyramid of increasingly insular groups of pedophiles who wear stupid costumes.

Also a shitter society is probably what Martin Luther wanted

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Site tagline material.

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[-] [email protected] 44 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

None of these people ever seem to think they’d be one of the people getting the shitty end of the stick at the bottom of the pyramid

Also, The periodic table? The categorization of elements has undergone constant iteration and refinement for centuries. There’s a reason you don’t hear about the plum pudding model or the four classical elements anymore. Hell, five new elements have been discovered in the past 25 years alone.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

you-are-a-serf

You are a proletariat, you are not going to be a scholar, you will not be a knight fighting (edit: actually dying, your value your life so little??) """""""""honorably""""""""" for your lord (lmao, why would you?), you are not even going to be a property owner, you are going to be a serf. You are going to live in a shitty house, with shitty clothing, doing shitty labour. Your life is going to be worse then it is today.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago

brace-watching You will never. Wash. Your penis.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago

If you lurk these "royalist" subs you sometimes get people fantasizing about living a humble peasant life. But they're always like, peasants in late-medieval central Europe living in those idyllic looking houses they preserve in Bavaria. Nobody ever images being a Russian surf or a slave on a Roman olive plantation.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

Russian surf

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[-] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago

There's too many fucking libertarian to monarchists in the pipeline. I think I've seen maybe one or two actual nobles with real titles who are monarchists that made me go "Okay it makes sense an actual prince would support an ideology aligning with his class interests." But these random ass "I'm actually a knight without a fife" are total dipshits.

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[-] [email protected] 40 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

For your quotes, try Chapter 3 of The Communist Manifesto

Owing to their historical position, it became the vocation of the aristocracies of France and England to write pamphlets against modern bourgeois society. In the French Revolution of July 1830, and in the English reform agitation[A], these aristocracies again succumbed to the hateful upstart. Thenceforth, a serious political struggle was altogether out of the question. A literary battle alone remained possible....

In order to arouse sympathy, the aristocracy was obliged to lose sight, apparently, of its own interests, and to formulate their indictment against the bourgeoisie in the interest of the exploited working class alone. Thus, the aristocracy took their revenge by singing lampoons on their new masters and whispering in his ears sinister prophesies of coming catastrophe.

In this way arose feudal Socialism: half lamentation, half lampoon; half an echo of the past, half menace of the future; at times, by its bitter, witty and incisive criticism, striking the bourgeoisie to the very heart’s core; but always ludicrous in its effect, through total incapacity to comprehend the march of modern history. The aristocracy, in order to rally the people to them, waved the proletarian alms-bag in front for a banner. But the people, so often as it joined them, saw on their hindquarters the old feudal coats of arms, and deserted with loud and irreverent laughter.

It is interesting to compare this with the section Ruling Class and Ruling Ideas in part I.B of The German Ideology. The following isn't what you were asking for, and instead discusses how a class, when contending for dominance, must express its own ruling ideas and interests as the universal ideas and interests of all classes, i.e. of "all of society". In actuality those ideas (of the bourgeoisie, aristocrats, etc.) are not truly universal though. This is written in the context of a new class, such as bourgeoisie, striking for dominance in an old order, such as the feudal order. But when the aristocrats try to fight back and maintain power, they will still aim for the same tactic. To express their ideas and freedoms as universal freedoms for the proletariat and as presenting themselves as guardians against the nefarious and harmful bourgeoisie, as explained above in The Communist Manifesto. Quoting from The German Ideology:

For each new class which puts itself in the place of one ruling before it, is compelled, merely in order to carry through its aim, to represent its interest as the common interest of all the members of society, that is, expressed in ideal form: it has to give its ideas the form of universality, and represent them as the only rational, universally valid ones. The class making a revolution appears from the very start, if only because it is opposed to a class, not as a class but as the representative of the whole of society; it appears as the whole mass of society confronting the one ruling class. 

It can do this because, to start with, its interest really is more connected with the common interest of all other non-ruling classes, because under the pressure of hitherto existing conditions its interest has not yet been able to develop as the particular interest of a particular class. Its victory, therefore, benefits also many individuals of the other classes which are not winning a dominant position, but only insofar as it now puts these individuals in a position to raise themselves into the ruling class.

When the French bourgeoisie overthrew the power of the aristocracy, it thereby made it possible for many proletarians to raise themselves above the proletariat, but only insofar as they become bourgeois. Every new class, therefore, achieves its hegemony only on a broader basis than that of the class ruling previously, whereas the opposition of the non-ruling class against the new ruling class later develops all the more sharply and profoundly.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago

Love to see the German ideology, my favorite.

marx-goth

[-] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago

It's one of my favorites too. Really lays down historical materialism and has a lot of bangers

[-] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago

That's the one! Thank you.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

rat-salute-2

That section in the Manifesto is a fun read. Some of the same struggle sessions 170 years later lol

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[-] [email protected] 41 points 6 days ago

Of course it ends with warrior-larp shit.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago

The honorable samurai who.... checks notes ...randomly beheaded people and would later turn into the Yakuza when the Emperor outlawed their caste?

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[-] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago

property owners

Capitalcel detected. True feudal chads know that the realm is exclusively at the disposal of the sovereign who is picked by God. Priests take vows of poverty for the sake of serving God so they shouldn't own anything. Aristocrats are enfeoffed by the sovereign and so cannot be said to truly own anything.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 6 days ago

This is an incredible level of delusion.

Imagine seriously using the claim of "I'm so correct that even aliens would agree".

??

[-] [email protected] 25 points 6 days ago

Yeah! Us communists would never presume that aliens would necessarily agree with us! posadas

[-] [email protected] 31 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

"I don't believe in material forces" says a boy who studies the blade and is being acted upon by material forces

Pic included

[-] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago

"Basically, Marx said he wanted to make the poo poo pants shitter republic"

[-] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago

All my life I've felt the shitting spirit laying dormant in my soul. After reading Marx, now I can finally let myself be free (by shitting out my ass)

As Lenin said, "The workers demand to shit, the bourgeoisie command to wipe."

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago

His vision was realized with the creation of Reddit

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[-] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago

Look, I consider myself reasonable...but I really, really need to see the shapes of these dude's skulls, just for my own information.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago

I'd personally like to test the compressive strength of his skull.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago

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Defecating is as necessary as labor, but we wouldn't want to live in a "shitter's republic" that tries to reduce life to the process of eating and discharging waste from the bowels. This is basically what Marx said he wants to do.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

me: yeah, i read theory

the theory:

[-] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago

Broke: Girls don’t poop.

Woke: Monarchs don’t poop.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago

what happens to a person to make this the product of their thinking jesse-wtf

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[-] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago

The whole post history is incredible

[-] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

DAE think Graham crackers have become too sinfully sweet?

[-] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago

this person is like 20 years old at the oldest

[-] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago

i can think of at least one owl that would love to live in a shitters' republic

[-] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago

Robespierre did nothing wrong

[-] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago

So....they exclude kings entirely? Or are those below warriors?

[-] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago

The nobility was supposed to be the military class under feudalism. It became less and less able to actually go to war as feudal contradiction progressed, but originally the lord was supposed to be the one "protecting" the peasants

[-] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It worked up until bows were able to reliably pierce armor.

And even then, it was mostly a protection racket, where you were essentially paying tribute to a king so they wouldn't pillage the lands you lived on and who had left a stay-behind administrator Lord who would pick knights from the locals to administer their territories while they pretty much did whatever they wanted, which was mostly drink and fuck. And you literally prayed that the local knight or administrator was good friends with the Lord otherwise your region would only get increasing tax burden, while other regions whose knights were friends with the Lord would get off easier. This would usually escalate until the peasants in these areas were literally starving after a couple bad harvests and would start a rebellion, usually attempting to appeal to the king to dispose the bad Lord, only for the king to order the Lord to kill the peasants, because that was the whole point to begin with. Better hope you actually have something to offer, and your knight actually gave a shit about his territory, or you were easy pickings for raiding bands. And if the king wasn't able to protect you, it was still illegal for you to seek protection from someone who could.

Rinse and repeat for basically a millennia and a half and that is more or less feudalism in a nutshell. Not that modern capitalism doesn't have it's own versions of all of this.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago

Kings are the top of the Second Estate (the nobility or military caste). The priesthood being the First Estate is kind of a polite fiction.

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago

Kings are the priestly scholars I guess.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago

capitalism bad because it's communism actually, please take me seriously pls

[-] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago

Yeah okay, Worf

[-] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago

Hasn't this always been a fash talking point? Capitalism is literally too woke for them, sometimes brown people make money! We need to RETVRN to a feudal caste system!

[-] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago

damn they make some good points im changing sides

[-] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago

ya tbh i wasn't really into it but then at the end they were like "the way of the warrior is death" and i was like whoa.... that's so awesome... . .

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