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[-] [email protected] 16 points 23 hours ago

What a hot take, as if firearm owners are all the same, as if there are not left leaning gun owners.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Personal firearms have basically never been used to resist government tyranny in the US or entire rest of the developed world in modern times.

What does consistently work is mass mobilization and turning out in numbers.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago
[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Yeah, did you read the examples you gave?

Your literal only modern example is a case in Fiji, an island with a population the size of Nashville, Tennessee, and army of 6,500 people.

And the coup was only successful because the special forces unit of the army that was run by a former SAS commander joined the coup and armed them.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

IRA does not count? Really? The dropping of small arms for resistance fighters? Come on, you are getting as selective as you are wrong.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

You're referring to the Provisional IRA?

Tell us again how successful they were in their goals of ending British rule in Northern Ireland.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Personal firearms have basically never been used to resist government tyranny in the US or entire rest of the developed world in modern times.

Please show us where success was required in the request?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Oh so you're advocating for resisting in unproductive ways that don't accomplish your goals? Glad to get that out in the open.

Also, the Provisional IRA primarily used military weapons leftover from WW2, modern ones to the era smuggled in from Libya, and homemade IEDs, so not a particularly relevant example.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

All those military rifles are legal to own in most nations with gun ownership. It is a very relevant example. Or are you advocating now that this only counts if the firearms are side by side shotguns and hunting rifles?

You are very much moving goalposts here and trying to put words and arguments I did not make in my mouth. Its not complicated, your point was no firearms where used to resist a tyrannical government in modern times, a point so completely incorrect as to be laughable.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 23 hours ago

The result of several decades from NRA successfully screaming Dems gonna get you guns!

[-] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago

And dems demonizing gun ownership. Seems it worked out great for the right (er) wing.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago

No, it really didn't benefit them in any meaningful way.

Widespread gun ownership has gotten an enormous number of innocent people killed though.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Well in the states yes, since it is seen as some sort of right and not a privilege that requires basic safety training. The rest of the planet seems to be more sensible.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago

There aren't enough leftist gun owners, sadly.

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

The things that radical fascist media talking heads are hyperbolically lying about nonstop are justification for invoking 2A rights.

Unfortunately liberals are pussy-assed bitches so nothing will happen and they'll all be chunked into an oven.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago

At some point people confused peaceful with harmless. Harmless people who got accustomed to the idea of outsourcing the capacity for violence... but then the vendor had a change in ownership...

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

Well the founding fathers and the powers at be are directly opposed. If I ran a tyranny, the first thing I would do is push propaganda to heavily stigmatize anything that could jeopardize it. The result I'd be aiming for would be a dynamic where firearms are only in the hands of people who support the tyranny, while making sure anyone who would oppose it is piss scared to even be in the same room as a gun. I'd make sure to instill a complex stigma, such that the opposition not only feels a primal fear of guns, but also a fear of social consequences, since there are plenty of people for whom social outcast is worse than death.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

You're describing exactly how the tyranny is done

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

And still today, right here in this thread, you have obviously privileged people tut-tutting gun ownership. Urging their comrades to forsake any defense at all against rising fascism.

If the people in power get their way there are going to be camps for undesirables on U.S. soil in the next decade.

I tell people as often as I can, especially my trans and bipoc friends; now is the time. Get a couple guns (a long one and a short one) and learn how to use them. Learn some basic first aid, you really just need to know how to stabilize someone. Start networking with like-minded people in your communities. The police will not protect us, they’ve proven they’ll happily club senior citizens to the ground and shoot any protesters in the face with rubber bullets while escorting a rightwing murderer to safety.

Get to know people in your community. Take an interest in growing food, learn how to fix things. Get a gun (or two) and learn how to use them. Iran was a secular, liberal state until almost 1980 when they (mostly legitimately) elected an Islamist theocracy; it could happen here.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago

He is describing what you are implying

[-] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago

that was always a transparent excuse... only a total rube would believe that was a legitimate reason to sell guns like popcorn in a theatre

[-] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago

That's kind of been the whole thing about the anti-2a people: they've kept saying "the people"in "the militia" are the cops and states (as opposed to the federal government), and the law-and-order conservatives aren't saying no to militarizing law enforcement, and the pro-gun right for decades (60s-90s) played along with all the "2a is for hunting" nonsense. The point of 2A is for the government to be afraid to do this crap, but 2A is too watered down at this point to have that effect. The kind of population that could live armed as well as any military (not ours) would just have a different behavior in general.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Counterpoint, civilian gun ownership is the only reason why most marginalized identities in the US aren't already rounded up into extermination camps en masse. You don't have the first clue about the history and nature of this country if you think we wouldn't quickly accelerate organized genocide without that last line of deterrence. Arm every single minority.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

This is more a consequence of manipulative propaganda and poor education being weaponized against people, rather than a direct reflection of constitutional gun laws.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

I await with interest your explanation as to how and why private gun ownership "caused and supported" the current unlawful government, considering that the government is perfectly capable of obtaining its own guns and supplying them to its goons without our input or intervention. And has been doing so for a little over two centuries. Furthermore, gun laws are deliberately structured such that the police and various government forces throughout the country enjoy considerably less restriction (or even none) on the type, number, and nature of guns that they're allowed to own and use. Even if the individuals in question are retired or no longer on active duty.

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago

Given sufficient time and inaction, the unlawful government will become the lawful government.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I mean, the rest of the western world already knows this for decades. You silly Americans are just starting to try and catch up.

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