Trump’s lawyers claim they’ve found a loophole that will allow Trump to ship immigrants overseas to be tortured.

Federal law states that the United States shall not “expel, extradite, or otherwise effect the involuntary return of any person to a country in which there are substantial grounds for believing the person would be in danger of being subjected to torture.” This law implements a treaty, known as the Convention Against Torture, which the United States ratified more than three decades ago.

Federal regulations, moreover, provide that even after an immigration judge has determined that a noncitizen may be deported to another country, that judge’s order “shall not be executed in circumstances that would violate Article 3 of the United Nations Convention Against Torture.” And those regulations also establish a process that immigrants can use to raise concerns with an immigration judge that they may be tortured if sent to a specific country.

The Trump administration, however, claims it has discovered a loophole that renders all of these legal protections worthless, and is now asking the Supreme Court to explicitly give it the authority to make use of that loophole in order to enact its immigration policies.

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[–] 286 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Trump has a team of people who dedicated time, energy, and resources, to find a loophole around a ban on torture.

That sums up this administration's direction pretty succinctly.

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  • [–] 70 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    I agree, but there’s a difference. Trump is a figurehead. It’s not his team. Project 2025 and the Heritage Foundation are the “deep state” that the right voters were convinced were controlling them through the dems. Peter Thiel, Putin, the Koch, Scaife, Uihlein, Bradley families and/or foundations, Barre Seid, Leonard Leo, Coors, Walmart, Exxon mobile, etc etc they’re all financing and guiding the hydra.

    Trump goes away and Peter Thiel wormtongues Vance into doing the same shit

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    [–] 113 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Obama pardoning the Bush admin for torture was seen as weak and pathetic at the time, and its worse now.

    He should have thrown the book at Bush and co.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Obama should have done a lot of things. I'm happy he did Obamacare but man he could have been so much more. Such a wasted chance. And making Biden his VP was a catastrophic error. Biden sabotaged the shit out of everything he touched.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Obamacare despite the Republicans throwing the mother of all tantrums about it was such a weak half assed piece of legislation. It was literally a Republican policy before Obama stole it and rebranded it. What he ran on and promised was a proper single payer healthcare the same as the rest of the world has. What we got was a federal search engine for insurance policies and very minor guarantees of what those policies will cover (and even that small gain is increasingly in danger of being removed).

    Obama was one of the least offensive presidents of recent memory, but that's far from being a good president. He certainly did some good things, but not as many as his reputation would make you think.

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    [–] 89 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Orange hitler needs to be impeached, removed from office, and sent to prison for his previous and current crimes.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I was hoping this would happen after his first term. However it will never, ever, EVER, happen. There just isn't anyone with a spine who will do anything about him.

    Now I'm hoping he gets a debilitating stroke/heart attack.
    Or a long painful death. Colon cancer is fine, anything that can't be treated.
    Last resort is assassination, not because I'm above such things or find it distasteful etc. I was, but not anymore. No, it's because if that happens then it'll probably be quick and painless. And that racist rapist kiddie fiddler doesn't fucking deserve that mercy.

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  • Assassination would stop him from hurting people quicker than cancer. Even if he had a stroke that debilitated him he wouldn't get impeached, he'd just effectively be a more obedient puppet.

    Not to mention, assassination sends a message to his peers too. As much as I want him to suffer, I think a quick assassination would be more effective.

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    [–] 66 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Is there no evil idea these guys don't love?

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  • [+] 58 points 1 year ago
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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago

    If you face torture or deathcamps, It's better to go out shooting.

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    [–] 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If you’re on the side of torture, you’re one of the bad guys

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Trump’s lawyers claim they’ve found a loophole that will allow Trump to ship immigrants overseas to be tortured.

    Legal or not, why are you looking for excuses to torture people?

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    [–] 35 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    We should have Trump dragged through the streets by a Tesla.

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    [–] 35 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    According to President Donald Trump’s lawyers, the administration can simply wait until after an immigration judge has conducted the proceeding that ordinarily would determine whether a particular noncitizen may be deported to a particular country, and then, if that noncitizen is allowed to be deported, announce that the immigrant will be deported to some previously unmentioned country — even if that immigrant reasonably fears they will be tortured in that nation.

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    [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    Just what we need to put in the hands of this Orange piece of human shit.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    Pretty tough talk from the orange dude that vociferously whines about reporters asking "nasty" questions.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    extraordinary rendition meets enhanced interrogation, I guess.

    Sean Hannity still hasn't been waterboarded for charity.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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    And immediately admitting he was wrong about it not being torture.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'd be happy if he got his wish and then magically disappeared and we heard rumors of him being waterboarded for fun. I'd do it myself.

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    [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Geneva Suggestions

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Haven't they already been doing this in Guantanamo?

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    [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    We’re so fucked.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago*

    So his loop hole is when a judge says the government can't send someone to Country A to be tortured, send them to Country B to be tortured with out asking a judge.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    See, this is why gwb and his cronies should have been prosecuted.

    Instead, centrists were delighted when harris got dick cheney's endorsement, and were upset when gwb declined to endorse.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Weird, why would he want to do that.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    reads headline

    WHYYYYYYYYUUHHHHH

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    WHYYYYYYYYUUHHHHH

    Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.

    George Orwell, 1984

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Orange man is really leaning into this role of authoritarian dictator, isn’t he?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The U.S. has been doing stuff like this for a while in the war against terrorism, e.g. transporting suspects to other countries where they can be tortured for information.

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    yeah. The civil war is starting.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Enough fucking around. CWII now.

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