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[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Adding Wall-E to the current list of dystopia's we're combining.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The last paragraph is especially good:

"ChatGPT isn't its own, unique problem. It's a symptom of a totalizing cultural paradigm in which passive consumption and regurgitation of content becomes the status quo," Nathan Schmidt, a university lecturer and managing editor at Gamers With Glasses, told 404.

(Likewise, I've always found it unfair how children are blamed or sneered upon for the effects of the inability of their parent generation to regulate intrusive technologies.)

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago

Translation: Traditional education—that was designed to mass educate the lowest common intelligence level in order to reduce the training burden on capitalists who want cheap labor—isn't working very well when students have access to tools that reduce the amount of time they spend doing busiwork.

It's not so dissimilar to company managers who thought that the ability of AI to make employees more efficient at busiwork would somehow reduce their need for people to perform that busiwork.

I may not be describing it very well but it boils down to this: Students and workers are getting more efficient with the bullshit and nobody seems to know what to do about it.

Insert meme:

"You mean most of the time we spend on homework and in the classroom is just bullshit?"

"Always has been."

Now replace that with someone in an office asking, "You mean most of what we do at work is just pointless bullshit?" 😁

AI is really good at producing bullshit. It was trained on a whole lot of it! Why shouldn't we be using it to produce bullshit more efficiently?

You want students to learn stuff? How about we reduce class sizes to like 5 kids per teacher, get rid of homework entirely, and quiz the students constantly in order to find out what they missed/need to learn and focus on filing in those gaps. Then AI and grades wouldn't even matter! You'd always know where each kid was at (in educational terms).

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

The existence of ai doesn't reduce the amount of busy work. It just means studenta can press buttons and pull levers rather than doing it by hand.

I'm not sure what constant quizing would accomplish. It sounds like its own busy work.

Even if there were the number of teachers to have 5 students per class, it has been my experience that a class under 10 leaves less room for discussion and difference of opinion

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

The point of regular quizzing is for the teacher to keep track of the student's progress. It's the entire point of quizzes!

Any classroom that includes quizzes in grading is already off on the wrong foot. They're doing it all wrong.

When it comes time to grade a student—via a test—the student should be so used to the questions—that they don't have to think much about it. They should already know the answers and have a strong command over the process used to answer them. If they're not ready the teacher should already know that because of regular quizzing.

This needs to happen in the classroom. Not at home. When students are outside of school they shouldn't be thinking about their schooling. They should be allowing their brains to rest and not stress over the possibility that their entire life trajectory could be made or broken based on how much time and effort they put in to homework or studying.

We're creating a society where no one spends time together because they didn't have time for that growing up!

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

I certainly agree that free time should be free of the obligations of school. So far as quizzes go, the determiner of busy work is always the student. Is taking daily quizzes meant to give the teacher feedback or to engage students in the process of learning? Students are not going to respond well to daily quizzes.

As far as grading is concerned, if the entirety of a student's grade is based off of an exam, you are creating a high stress high stakes scenario. Again, this isn't conducive to student success. It's a recipe for disengagement, depression, and cheating. Should you say, "well, students can't cheat if I proctor them." Perhaps, but you are creating a scenario where you are the jailor and they are a prisoner. I've beem told as much.

So what do you do instead? Daily practice. You lay out the material and give studenta guided exercises. Ask them probing questions. Get them to engage with one another. This is called Active Learning anf studies have shown it to be one of the most effective ways of learning. Second only to teaching.

Then yoh evaluate their work, grade it as one portion of the sum totak of their grade, (as opposed to a percentage of a percentage, and give personalized independent feedback. The feedback is for them. It is secondary that you get feedback as well.

Exams should be an assesment of the cumulative learning (called a Cummulative or Sumative Assesment. As opposed the classwork which is known as a Formative Assesment). Students shouldn't breeze through it. In fact it should be more difficult than what they've seen. As a culmination of what they have learned. They should be able to extend it into the unknown. And these exams are weighted accordingly.

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