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[–] [email protected] 283 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Google’s search results are absolute garbage lately. It pushes the most advert-heavy spam sites first.

DuckDuckGo has more reliably been giving me the technical documentation I was looking for in the past year.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I can't find shit anymore, always spam sites angry at my ad blocker or YouTube videos, which are angry at my ad blocker.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The first half of the first page is all ads now on Google. It's utter shit - the things it's a lot better at than DDG is NLP, being able to understand questions, and anything news related. If you know exactly what you're searching for though, using the old style of search words works great on DDG

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I used to be able to search for a tracking number by Google and it would link to the correct delivery tracking service. About 1-2 months ago Google stopped doing this and just gives no results. Why would they stop linking you to FedEx or UPS? Who knows, but my wild ass guess is since Google was not able to link "related" sponsored links along with it they just removed the functionality. They are just actively making their service shittier anytime something minor doesn't dish out a shitty ad along with it.

I've gone on to using Kagi and DDG. Rarely do I miss Google search.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I do this all the time for work. It still works for me when I put a FDX trk # in

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I love searching for something on Google and have the entirety of the above the fold be sponsored results

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I recall correctly, DuckDuckGo uses Bing's search database (not search itself, just the database).

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

They say that's a myth, that they have their own search engine and database.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It might be a myth, but it would probably be the best search engine.

Bing is too good, they're trying to capture market share and likely operating it at a loss. But if people leave Google, it's most likely because they dont want tracked. And Microsoft is probably at best just as bad as Google.

A go between that anonimizes the results would be exactly what people want.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Bing is too good,

You mean that they just don't frontload ads on results?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Their own CEO admits they are required to allow Microsoft tracking in their "privacy" browser due to the contract for search. They use Bing for search, it's not a myth.

For non-search tracker blocking (eg in our browser), we block most third-party trackers. Unfortunately our Microsoft search syndication agreement prevents us from doing more to Microsoft-owned properties. However, we have been continually pushing and expect to be doing more soon.

— Gabriel Weinberg (@yegg) May 23, 2022

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/duckduckgo-browser-allows-microsoft-trackers-due-to-search-agreement/

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

afaik they use multiple, including bing and their own indexer (duckduckbot afaik)

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course, we have more traditional links and images in our search results too, which we largely source from Bing.

https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/sources/

So I wasn't totally right in that it doesn't all come from Bing, but it largely does.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

When I built my PC last year I decided to just let Edge and Bing go for a bit instead of immediately downloading another browser or changing the search engine. I can count on one hand the number of times I needed to enter in Google.com to get a different or better result. And almost every one of those was because I wanted a google maps results and not whatever weird maps MS has.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

I miss the 2000s/2010s Google. Now I need to endlessly scroll down the page in an attempt to find something barely useful.

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[–] [email protected] 131 points 1 year ago (18 children)

But Weinberg testified that getting users to switch from Google was complicated, requiring as many as 30 to 50 steps to change defaults on all their devices, whereas the process could be shortened to just one click on each device.

Full disclosure, been using Duck Duck Go for a while but...

30 to 50 steps? On a Samsung it's one click from the address bar to select a search engine and then another to select Duck, Google, yahoo, or bing.

The way it's worded they're adding steps for like 10 devices together.

And for it to be a single click, all the options would have to display every time you click the address bar, which would make it look like a 90s web browser.

I'm all about Duck, but that reeks of bullshit because they know most politicians don't know as much about the internet as a 9 year old does.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Step 1. Pickup the phone Step 2. Look at the screen Step 3. Power the phone on Step 4….

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago
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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That does seem like an exaggeration, but there is truth in the power of defaults for the mainstream audience.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Pixel phones it's harder:

Change fucking launcher... The google bar is always there, cannot be removed and it's always google.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

My Samsung phone automatically reverts my favourite browser to the Samsung browser all the time without asking.

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[–] [email protected] 99 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Daily reminder that unregulated capitalism hurts all of us.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Daily reminder that capitalism hurts all of us.

Capitalism isn't about free markets, it's about private property and profit extraction.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (7 children)

He's probably right, but from what I see, the reality is that like 95% of people simply don't care, and the rest will find an alternative.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Its the easiest thing in the world. I degoogled everything in my life in like 2-3 days after work. People aren't switching because the bulk of the world's populace likes the centralization and using the popular option. They just want to use what everyone else is.

[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think if you were to ask "most people" about which search engine they prefer, they wouldn't really understand the question. I remember in highschool a teacher asked someone what operating system they have at home, and she replied "I think it's Microsoft Office".

Tech people tend to severely overestimate non-tech peoples' understanding of tech.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Counterpoint: tech literacy is irresponsibly low for a modern developed world that now requires it for everyday operation.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Both of these things can be true at the same time.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I am lucky my husband likes to learn about this sort of stuff. When we started dating he barely knew the difference between Mac and Windows. Now he uses Linux. Granted, I have to install it, but he keeps on top of maintenance.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I made a list of the Google services I needed to replace, replaced a couple of them, but ultimately that list had dozens of items on it and I'm too tired already to complete it

It is not easy. This comment must be satire?

For example have you tried navigating in a car with a navigation app besides Maps? I don't have an iPhone and the ones I've tried so far suck. I mean, I think Waze isn't even all that good and Google owns even them now.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

While I don't believe you can degoogle that quickly, because some of their services take quite some time to properly switch, such as email, in the end it's not too hard, but just takes time and some work.

Changing email is easy, if you don't mind it being a slow process. Just forward your google email, and start slowly replacing any service you notice in the following months/years to your new address.

Google Drive is harder to replace, I went for just running a NAS with Nextcloud, which takes care of most of Google Drive/Docs/Calendar stuff. If self-hosting isn't your cup of tea, Proton is slowly setting up usable google alternatives - they have Drive and Calendar IIRC.

Now for phone, that's the hardest task. You wouldn't help yourself by getting an IPhone. While it would de-google you, there's basically no point in switching google for apple. Getting android to be usable for stuff like banking, MFA and other bullshit you need your phone for while being degoogled is hard, due to the bullshit Google Services. The only solution I found is to either just go with dumb phone with an obscure OS, or just get a Google Pixel and run GrapheneOS.

Maps are another issue, but thankfully we have a local https://mapy.cz/ , which is a pretty OK alternative to Google maps for our country, and I guess they even work worldwide. I don't drive a car, so I don't really need it that often.

The only remaining Google service I use is GCloud VPS, because I have some websites running there on the free instances that I'm too lazy to move. But I'm slowly migrating it to Amazon. Not that it would help much, anyway. And also Youtube, but I'm trying to go through the alternative front-ends as much as possible.

And for browser, I'm using https://mullvad.net/en/browser. Fuck chromium.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (14 children)

I installed a custom launcher that's close to the stock one on my Pixel 3 specifically to make it possible to remove the Google Search widget. Now I have a Firefox widget that points to DDG.

If any are interested, the launcher is Lawn Chair, and it can be installed via F-droid.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

this absolutely wouldn't happen if there were no regulations - a libertarian

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (23 children)

DuckDuckGo CEO apparently is just another CEO. I've been an early adopter that's been using their search engine long before there were apps or a browser.

What's stopping people from using DDG isn't switching to DDG, it's getting absolutely dogshit results 90% of time. As an advanced user I know I can prefix my search with "!g phrase" to use Google instead of DDG. The sad fact is that despite the ad-ridden result page and tracking, Google is still lightyears ahead in providing relevant, and especially timely results for a user that is both tech-savvy and critical.

They need to improve their product, users will follow a good adfree search engine, that's a given. Only a fraction of users will put up with degraded results in order to search without tracking.

I sincerely hope they will get their tech up to par. And that their browser on mobile reaches feature parity soon. (as a Z Fold user, DDG browser doesn't have tabs. Brave, Vivaldi and Firefox does).

The new kid on the block needs humility and good tech, not shittalk. Fuck that CEO,. he's undermining something very promising and important.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I've never had a problem with DDGs search results that simply rephrasing my query didn't solve. What are you all searching for that Google's results are "light-years ahead" of DuckDuckGo's? (Honest question)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

I agree. Honestly anytime I've resorted to having to use Google for something I feel the results are even worse than DDG.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I often don't find what I want in DDG; and I then try !g to look for it with Google... and Google doesn't find it either.

In my experience it is very rare for Google to help me with a search that DDG failed with. As for the converse, I wouldn't know - because I never search Google first. Why wouldn't I? They're evil.

That said, I will point out that I don't use a google account, and I block most google-related cookies. I know that some people find Google gives better results due to its personalised results; and obviously I'm not 'benefiting' from that. So it is believable that you get better results from Google than I do, due to it knowing more about you, and thus guessing what you might want to see.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I always see people saying Google provides better results, but to me it's awful. I don't even use DDGO anymore, but Google only shows ads and SEO optimized results that look AI generated. Is this common or am I just an isolated case?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

DDG isn't the only alternative to Google. I use Kagi and love it. The results IME are definitely better than Google's.

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