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[-] [email protected] 167 points 1 week ago

You should be using Signal anyway.

[-] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago

I think Telegram is more of a social media than a messenger.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

What, like Instagram kind of thing?

[-] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Not really. It just group chats and some are used as news feeds.

Its one of those terrible UX where people force a tool to do something it's not supposed to like Discord for forums etc.

Its basically used for piracy and drug markets for tech illiterate but somehow caught on.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

One can say terrible, one can say ingenious.

A news feed with comments and a group chat are projections of the same object, thus you have all the events in one "community" in one place, seeing them always (more or less, because going to comments of a post you only see that post's children and their children and so on).

Personally I think it's much more convenient than Discord.

And the public opinion seems to be in TG's favor for usability (except it exhausts me to see that many groups and checking them, so authors' FB clone background definitely shows).

I think the market has decided that this UX is good. But technically TG is, 1) proprietary in fact despite open client source, 2) insecure, 3) starts getting overloaded with features by now.

I'd want a federated FOSS alternative. I'm actually thinking how one can do that (especially the part about sharing files, the TG way means they'll have to be stored for long somewhere ; maybe one can have each user issue a fixed amount of tokens on registration, those tokens be passed by uploading user to the one providing storage, and somehow thus using local storage of users as a currency, for file storage only ; the thought is inspired by Redis and probably sucks, especially since in Redis tokens are for hash partitions ; it's also inspired by BitTorrent reputation and tracker ratings, where you have to upload something to be able to download yadda-yadda) without making running a server a very expensive task. Probably should read something on how XMPP and IRC and other server-server connections work, but lazy.

Interesting even, can a FOSS federated TG alternative be just another Lemmy frontend. Again, the attached files part should be solved in some smarter way than storing them all on servers, people upload huge things to TG. A builtin bittorrent client is not a solution, cause one person sharing a file and going offline means that nobody can download it. So the previous idea with tokens may be not too bad.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Market has decided that this UX is good

Lol

Maybe you should start with real existing technologies when you do your analysis: rss, federation, graphql. Group chat is the most primitive of feed types and is incredibly outdated UX in 2025. Even RSS - technology from 1999 - has solved the issues telegram is still trying to solve now 26 years later.

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Nah, more like a better WhatsApp but with haters even worse than the WhatsApp haters.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Pretty much yes. It has channels so there are news channels, personal channels etc. At some point when I discovered Twitter for myself I hated it so much for not being able to simply read subscribed accounts just like telegram does it. It's too convenient as a feeds app.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Like a light version of Discord

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

I cant schedule an appointment at the vet with signal.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Well if you tell them you are using Signal and they adopt it, you sure can.

What is your imaginary boundary here where Telegram makes this easier somehow?

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[-] [email protected] 100 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Telegram are being paid by xAI to use their product? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around?

[-] [email protected] 63 points 1 week ago

I'm guessing the money flows in this direction because telegram actually has users.

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[-] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago

Having xAI accessing a billion of users conversations? They are going to have the most "educated" LLM. Also isn't xAI getting subsidies from the government? Literalły workers of America are paying to spy, again

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[-] [email protected] 86 points 1 week ago

Ah, time to switch to a new messaging app :)

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Agreed, but which one has easy to use bots and integration into the *arr apps? I used telegram to send notifications about new movies and episodes.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

Me too. Switched to pushover. Arrrrrr apps support it just fine. And it's free.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

I really need some free time in my life to try those arrs with unraid, and telegram bots too...

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[-] [email protected] 66 points 1 week ago

good news! signal has sticker packs

[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

If only any of my friends would have it.. I have a lot of contacts on telegram, and on signal there's like 1. Even my furry friends are not on there

There are some active chats on matrix, but I don't know why on signal

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Maybe if you tell them that an LLM is being trained on all their "private" conversations now, they will change their mind?

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Them: "I've got nothing to hide" (slowed down and reverbed)

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

I tried to switch to Signal but it feels so damn barren compared to Telegram :(

I want to love it but they make it hard

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My biggest gripe with it is about electron. I refuse to keep it running on my PC. Even the damned Whatsapp converted to something better.

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[-] [email protected] 66 points 1 week ago

So you’re telling me that Grok is so bad that they have to pay developers to integrate it? How backwards. People are willing to pay for Grok’s competitors.

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[-] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago

There doesn’t seem to be any such thing as “good” AI, but there’s definitely a “worst” one, and Telegram chose it. Nice job, assholes.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

Well the other ones you have to pay for. This one pays you!

[-] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Two insane billionaire eugenicists … working together? No way. Birds of like feather stick together.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

If anybody still believed in Telegram's trustworthiness, it should now be dispelled.

(Only kidding, there's plenty of people who still "believe" in both Durov and Musk)

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Sad but true

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I'll think about if they also somehow prohibit 3rd party clients from removing that AI garbage.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

I’m so glad I don’t use telegram.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

Im glad the EU started early with sanctioning Telegram, it will make things easier now. This is just a blatant attempt at enforcing Russian political influence.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

Can this be a joke pleaseeeee ?

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

What is the fediverse chat equivalent?

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

I use matrix synapse. You can self host or join an existing server.

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

"Eat moar AI! EAT IT!! EAT the AI you peasants!"

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

who'd have thought that elon would get into bed with a ceo who was arrested for child porn

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Fascist media meets fascist media... well....

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I thought The Establishment was all booboo Telegram badbad, I guess now they're just another toady

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I just use telegram for sailing the high seas so I couldn't care less. If I was actually communicating, I'd care.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago

SimpleX for the best anonymity. Signal for talking with grandma.

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