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[–] 112 points 2 years ago (82 children)

The only way for libertarianism to work is if every human had only good intentions. Since that’s simply never going to happen libertarianism will never work. Just my opinion feel free to disagree.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    Exactly. It's stupid to be like libertarians and take a hardline stance on "regulations always bad!!" or "regulations always good!!". A regulation that bans building dense, walkable communities is bad and needs to be eliminated. Likewise, regulations that ban teachers from talking about the existence of gay people are also bad and need to be eliminated.

    Just like we try to use regulations for good, many others use regulations for ill. It will always be context-specific specific whether we need more regulation or deregulation.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    You talk as if benefiting the ruling class was an unwanted consequence of these laws. It’s not. The markets need to be free for the rich to benefit but restricted for the rich to benefit. And maybe some crumbs will fall of the table and the poors will think that the rich are so generous.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    That's the irony.

    But Density means communism to them so they're suddenly fine with regulations and taxes that prop up an unsustainable suburban ponzi scheme because that's the lie sold about the American Dream.

    When they see how unaffordable housing has become they say, "good, my house is more expensive."

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  • [–] 83 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    The difference is that they think that gatekeeping poor people from services in order to bring costs down for everyone else is valid. I've seen libertarians argue that the solution to tuition and healthcare being expensive is to stop helping poor people, because that will drive demand down and lower prices for people who can already afford it. I've seen libertarians argue that the solution to people scalping groceries is to let grocery stores price gouge. Their solutions only ever involve helping people who don't need help at the expense of people who do. Libertarianism is "me, me, me right now now now" dressed up in fancy language. It's the political philosophy of a tumor.

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    [–] 50 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    “We live in a society” - the jonkler

    “Not if I can help it” - libertarians

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    [–] 35 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    As far as I can tell, the ones with money want a free hand to do whatever they want to others without repercussion, and the ones without money are willfully drinking the Kool Aid and being led around by the nose philosophically.

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    [–] 32 points 2 years ago

    You ever hear a libertarian complain about flying? Fascinating one-person debate about airlines and deregulation.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Being Libertarian means never having to admit you’re a Republican

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    [–] 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Typically they argue the government is the cause of the problems (which is frequently correct) and the solution is to remove regulations that create the inefficiencies (which rarely goes to plan and frequently involves enriching them).

    It's clownish just for different reasons than the meme suggests.

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Most "libertarians" are this dumb, but the old school ones at least attribute the problems to uneven regulation rigged in favor of the ruling class, which does jive with my understanding of what is wrong with the financial system. That being said, libertarianism wouldn't work even if they did get shit straight.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago

    The vast majority of libertarians are (in my experience) just conservatives that want to smoke weed. They believe a lot of the same awful shit. The rest of them have deluded themselves into thinking that a libertarian society is viable when it is laughably not. They generally consider themselves to be way more capable and independent than reality can support.

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Believing Libertarians argue in good faith. 🤡

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    North America has never been a free market. Even since the days of Sumer have there been regulations on commerce. We will never have a free market.

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    How is it that free market's modus operandi seem to be attempting suicide every few years?

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I've seen them claim that a natural monopoly cannot exist and that monopolies we see today are all enforced by government regulation.

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    [–] 19 points 2 years ago

    i thought being a libertarian was cool when i was 20 and wanted to smoke weed but didn't know how to get any

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I kept reading that as librarian

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    [–] 12 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    I’m sorry but anyone who thinks we’re actually in a free capitalist system is delusional. The freedom is a lie they sell us to perpetuate the system.

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    [–] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Zoning codes that restrict density are the opposite of a free market.

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