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[-] [email protected] 104 points 5 days ago

Somebody coming across this and briefly checking out the context section could think this is just a regular old mass surveillance law, but when you look at the High Level Group advice EU is citing as a key source you’ll see the full image.

The craziest thing is that when a German MEP Patrick Breyer asked the EU to release the names of the people who were a part of the so called High Level Group that wrote this proposal, they replied with a list with all names blacked out. Here is Patrick Breyer’s own blog post on the subject

According to Edri ”The HLG has kept its work sessions closed, by strictly controlling which stakeholders got invited and effectively shutting down civil society participation.”. Very nice.

You can read the full High Level Group proposal here.TL;DR

they want to sanction unlicensed messaging apps, hosting services and websites that don’t spy on users (and impose criminal penalties)

mandatory data retention, all your online activity must be tied to your identity

end of privacy friendly VPN’s and other services

cooperate with hardware manufacturers to ensure lawful access by design (backdoors for phones and computers)

And much, much more. And this law isn’t aimed towards big companies, all communication service providers are explicitly in scope no matter how small or open source.

A mass surveillance law being written by unknown lobbyists behind closed doors, demanding that the EU should monitor the internet more than Russia, being pushed by the EU commission. Should be the biggest news of the decade, but isn’t.

Also, EU commission (Ursula, Virkkunen, Brunner as the key players) are using the same high level group as a key source in their ProtectEU plan, which is their strategy for 2029 and includes restricting encryption. Politico article on the subject

[-] [email protected] 44 points 5 days ago

Yeah, it's a blatant attempt to establish a draconic police state for the average citizenry, abhorrent shit.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago

It doesn't matter if we defeat this one. They'll just try again and again and again until it sticks.

[-] [email protected] 33 points 5 days ago

Infection is a natural part of existence and the human organism has to fight against every infection, whether familiar or not. We'll just to have to take our bodies' example.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago

Accepting defeat is the quickest way for that. Humanity dealt with much worse already, and though they seem to be trying to be as bad, the push against them from the common citizen and the more reasonable of their peers in power is making momentum to be lost quickly.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago

The way you defeat it, is a constitution that explicitly protect these rights and empowering a court that will strike down laws that violate those rights.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Yeah about that: These laws get passed. They are enacted. People challenge them in court. The court strikes it down after a long time. Another slightly differently worded law with the same content gets passed and enacted. People challenge it in court...

Or well, the Authoritarian scum just ignore the courts.

What is needed is a strong resistance on every level. This needs to be brought to media attention, needs to be protested, the people behind it need to be public ousted, shamed and stripped from all power, the companies behind it need to be boycotted and sabotaged so they go out of business...

Waiting for courts to deal with things does not cut it with authoritarians. They only understand collective power against them.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

Maybe laws should require judicial review before they get enacted.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

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Why do they use American SSOs?

[-] [email protected] 33 points 5 days ago

And if anyone needs to send an email to MEP from your country about how concerning this initiative is.

We must talk about this and raise awareness.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/full-list/all

All elected MEP, download the pdf and search on your country name or party. (no alternative since there is no search functionnalities on that page sadly)

[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Do you have a nice copy pasta I can send?

I also suggest people to post the list of email addresses they gather so we can paste that into our email clients: [email protected], [email protected], etc I've done this in previous battles against these authoritarian proposals and it makes it easier.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

No write it from scratch. With the copyright directive MEPs thought those templates were bots.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

I did this a few times already and sent my mails to 20+ MEPs. The most I've gotten back was 3 replies.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 5 days ago

Can we go 5 minutes without someone proposing a ridicilous law?!

Can't they focus on problems that actually matter?!

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Hitting you with one bad law after another is part of an intentional scheme to induce fatigue and get one by without the public noticing.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

That is exactly what they are doing. Focusing on problems that actually matter TO THEM. The average person's problem is not their problem.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 5 days ago

My feedback: stop this bullshit and focus on actual problems.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago

The Europol's precog crime-prevention AI needs to be fed again, I see. I'm assuming this is "for the safety of our children" again.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago
[-] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

The only needed response is "no".

[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

It’s great that the EU asks for feedback like this

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

While coming up with such flawed laws as well. I doubt they even look at the feedback

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Manufacturing public buy-in is a cornerstone of increasing fascism.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Um... I've read the document, where does it say anything nefarious? All I can see is unifying requirements for metadata storage and time to live?

As in - to what exactly should I object, where's the hidden poison?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)
this post was submitted on 26 May 2025
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