Yeah I agree. Driving is fun and I like cars, but needing a car to do everything is an exhausting way to live. Especially when everyone else needs a car to do everything and there's congestion everywhere.

I have an appreciation for cars like I do tanks, battleships, artillery, and fighter jets:

Engineering marvels, but I'd rather not see them in use 🤭

Seriously though, cars have their place, but their dependency leads to way more problems than solutions. I guess the same could be said about tanks, battleships, artillery, and fighter jets 🫢😟

I want freedom of movement, i.e., I should be able to choose which form of travel I want to use to reach the destination. Each mode should have their pros and cons. But i don't want society/environment/polices to favor a particular form of travel.

I've tried to explain to a car guy before that, while I appreciate cars as works of art and engineering, I hope for a day where owning a car is akin to owning a horse. A quaint hobby. A mode of transportation appreciated for the experience but usually unnecessary for modern life

My town is an older one so we really don’t have stroads, but ….

A couple years back, they repainted the lines on a major street to cut it from two lanes down to one plus turn lanes. Sure enough, it proves out: traffic is slower and calmer yet timing verifies we consistently get through noticeably faster.

Now the lines for bike lanes are fatalities waiting to happen but I guess it’s progress that they tried.

My biggest objection to “fuck cars” people is the insistence on removing parking, and otherwise restricting driving. Maybe my experience is different than most Americans, living without stroads and with functional transit., but a lot of that talk is counterproductive. I’m all for reduced parking minimums for businesses assuming there are other ways to get there but for housing is where I object. Transitioning to a world where fewer people need cars is laudable but until we get there, cars are still necessary for most of us, some of the time. Give people a place to put their cars, because they do still need them, and work on them needing their cars less and less. Anyhow that was my experience trying to live without a car. Even using transit or walking most places, in a city with functional transit, I couldn’t entirely do without. Give me a reliable place to stash my vehicle , and I’m all for trying g that experiment again.

This is a surprisingly common opinion. I don’t share it but as long as we’re pushing in the same direction, then I welcome you as an ally in the struggle.

An interesting anecdote that supports your arguments is that the Netherlands is one of the best countries for cyclists and pedestrians yet also for drivers. It doesn’t have to be a trade-off. Well-designed transportation infrastructure can work for everyone to some extent.

Big agree

In short, just because I'm a car enthusist doesn't mean I think society should be based around cars.

I want cars to be by hobby on weekends - to drive for fun. I want driving and cars I be fun and only fun, not a requirement. Would also like to only put miles on my fun car I put a lot of work into when I want, instead of when I have to.

100% agree. I love driving, road trips, windy roads, and take pride in having a clean and well maintained car. But I despise the car-centrality of most western cities. Any chance I get, I park well outside a big city and take a train in. It’s almost always faster and far less stressful. Even though I can parallel park, yield to cyclists, not run over pedestrians, and safely follow the rules of the road, most other people can’t or won’t because of how normalized bad driving is. Even worse, most people don’t really want to be driving and do it simply because their job/home are not properly accessible, so they have no other choice.

Oh hey I feel kinda similarly, except I don't have a car and don't plan on having one bc that's an insane amount of spending for something I thankfully don't need at all.

From that perspective: I think ideally most private car use would be rental cars. We aren't going to connect every rural place via public transport overnight, and if you need to transport more than people cars make perfect sense for the job anyway.

People in rural areas might still realistically need cars for a long time to come, and I also dislike completely preventing people in cities from owning cars, partially because I totally get that driving cars can be fun and other hobbies have their own carbon footprint. But, as expensive as being a car enthusiast already is, it probably has to get more expensive as cars become purely a luxury. The costs to the individual should reflect the burden they put on society as a whole.

Other than better city planning to simply reduce people even wanting to use cars, I think other good measures (than just increasing taxes) to achieve this could be parking space requirements like japan has. Beyond that I think we really just need a cultural shift away from "everyone has a car obviously" which I'm starting to verrryyy slowly see at least.

Ideally in the long term utopian future I'd want highways to mostly be abandoned, with long distance freight being done by rail and only local distribution by road vehicles. The main use of highways would then be those choosing cars as their hobby and private transport of goods, e.g. for moving. Within cities road vehicle use would only be for transporting goods (and ofc emergency services). But even if we put everything we have towards that I don't think I'd live long enough to see it lol

I hate space yielded to cars that would be better used some other way.

All those cars parked on the side of the road? Could be a bike lane. Could be outdoor seating for the restaurant. Could be benches. Fuck those cars.

Big ass parking lot? Could be something green. Could be another building. Fuck those cars.

i don't think we should promote private car ownership. If someone needs point to point transit occasionally, we can solve that some other way. I know people that have a car because they go on trips a couple times a year. Wasteful.

If people want a car of their own, they should pay all the externalized costs.

I also wish kei cars were more of a thing. I like the look of a lot of kei sports cars but I have to wait 20 years after the car is made and more and more states are out lawing them.

They should go hand in hand. I don't want my car for sitting in traffic, I want it to tinker with and go for a cruise on weekends. I would love it if cars purely became a stupid hobby :)

I live somewhere that is very much not car dependant, the cars still suck and we need way fewer of them.

Question to Car Enthusiasts.
If your car has more power than average engine/motor,
how do you enjoy driving without exceeding speed limit?
You are accelerating in few second, then just drive with a constant speed.

I agree and was thinking about that with the community and movement name earlier today as well actually. You articulated it better than I ever could have.

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Fuck cars!

I'm sure there's room for a more moderate community somewhere on the internet, but surely fuck cars has to be the most extreme one. There are several more rational sounding 'urbanist' ones out there. I'm sure some of them tolerate cars - especially the people that get all wet in the pants over fucking electric ones - fuck those too by the way.

If none of those are any good I'd suggest you start one called 'FuckCarsBut' or go ozzy and try 'YeahNahCars'

Surely we don't have to start "SeriouslyReallyActuallyFuckCars" community for me and the one other anti-car extremist in the world.

Either way there are far too many fucking car apologists in this one. fuck FuckCars