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When you're told you can't afford to own your house... (hexbear.net)
submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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74% of my home costs go to non-home based expenses.

Also, please note that property taxes in my home state of Texas are some of the highest in the nation. Even then, I'm shelling out a good $300/mo on insurance.

Which means the monthly cost of home ownership in an ostensibly low-cost-of-living state is:

  • $609 - The Bank

  • $504 - The House amortized over 30 years

  • $470 - The state of Texas / city of Houston

  • $307 - Insurance Company

And please note that this is fucking cheap for my area. $1900/mo was a steal when I nailed it down back in 2018. But the $500/mo that actually goes to the actual house would have been even better. One might even argue it is the real material cost of living. Maybe add in another $400 or so if you squint and don't ask how much is just going to Cops, Cops, and More Cops or inquire too hard about the state of our streets or schools.

But every time I pay my note, I'm forced to reconcile with this and think about all the people who are told they've been "priced out".

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A wise man once said, "America has always been a real estate scam."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Can I offer you some cool beads and tainted blankets?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did you have to get mortgage insurance? That shit sucks, a tax for being poor. It pays insurance towards the bank in case you default on your loan, it ensures the bank still gets paid if you stop paying. Literally paying twice foucault-madness

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

That's not mortgage insurance. That's just what happens when your city eats hurricanes regularly.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

good lord, my homeowners insurance in illinois is $58 a month

  • $570 - Principal
  • $1028 - Interest
  • $940 - Taxes

Don't forget, that 609 * 12 is deductible on your taxes, so you save a good amount there.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Really funny to talk about "cost of housing" when its a $70/mo difference in the cost of the house but another $600/mo in non-house.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You should see the taxes in North New Jersey 🫠

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I grew up there. One of the reasons Exxon ditched the state was to chase the lower tax rates.

Too bad it only ever got applied to the business side of the equation. Exxon staff ultimately got soaked, so the C-levels could dodge income taxes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

that insurance is wack attack. my shit (locked in early 2021 at a low rate) works out to like

  • 33% interest
  • 33% principal
  • 33% taxes and insurance

i'm in a position to put extra money each month towards my mortgage, so i do. this is considered "dumb" by much of the PF community compared to putting it into a HYSA or, even more cringe, The Market™. though it should be noted i have looked up my marginal tax rate because any income i generate is subject to income tax, whereas saved interest on early payoff of a loan is not. i also do not give a fuck and would rather pay down the house note. because check this shit out.... by making an additional contribution to the principal each month (effectively double), i cut down my loan payoff date by something insane like 14 years off a 30 year note and save a metric assload of interest.

i make roughly the median income in a LCOL area, so all this shit is penny ante. not complaining though. im in my mid 40s and for the first time in my life i don't have a landlord. and i can do shit to this place. like fix things up better than they were and improve energy efficiency.

i haven't crunched the numbers on what it would be like with interest rates being like 2.5x higher now, but considering that my stomach was in knots during the closing when they were much lower, i would probably be losing my shit now.

EDIT: i did a 2 year financial breakdown of expenses averaged out to the day (as an average daily expense), and the ratios were:

  • $7.52 principal
  • $7.82 escrow (taxes and insurance)
  • $8.45 interest
  • [Optional] $12.37 extra principal

the overpayment straight to principal means

  • payoff comes 16 YEARS earlier and saves me $33k in interest over that time.

and keep in mind, this is all back when interest rates were absurdly low compared to other points in US history. i hate all this shit. sometimes i feel like i go through all this deep financial analysis of my situation just to be able to assign a number to how much i hate this shit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wife and I spent a year building a house during lockdown. Two months before closing rates suddenly shot up over 5%. They weren’t offering locks right away so we got fucked.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

jesus, that sucks

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I'm currently paying

  • Principal 36%
  • Interest 41%
  • Taxes & Insurance 27%
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a 30 yr. Fixed? When were you able to buy a house for under 250k?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Refinanced to 2.8% in 2018.

I bought in 2015 in a corner of Houston where prices that hasn't gone vertical. Incidentally, I paid $100k more for it than it sold at build, back in 2008.