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In exchange for the resettling of Palestinians, the administration would potentially release to Libya billions of dollars of funds that the U.S. froze more than a decade ago, those three people said.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

A republican is president now. Select centrists will actually admit it's a genocide now.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 day ago (14 children)

As I recall, it was important to punish the Biden administration for their role in assisting Israel.

As it turns out, there are severe consequences to ignoring absolutely every warning that Trump would be worse.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

With regards to Israel / Palestine, watching this unfold under Biden reminded me of the scene in Saving Private Ryan where the one soldier was going "shhh" while pushing a knife into the other soldier. And someone else watching but not doing anything about it.

Remember that Biden flat out lied to the American public. He will be remembered for his complicity in genocide, and there is absolutely nothing he can do to prevent this legacy. History is written by the victors, but younger generations get the last word.

Trump is certainly worse for Americans, and I voted with this in mind, but both sides are fucking awful for Palestinians. Lest we forget Chuck "my job is to keep the left pro-genocide" Schumer.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Although not voting was the wrong move, It's important to hold the democrats accountable imo. They essentially lost the election because they considered genocide more important then their consituents.

The fact is that Gazas fate would have been the same under both party. The way forward is to demand change from the democratic party to avoid such scenarios. Blaming voters implies it wasnt the democrats at fault in the first place for pushing apathy and genocide as their main platform. Even worse, it implies genocide somehow shouldnt be a voting issue.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The hell it would have. To say that the fate of Gaza would have been the same is absolute horseshit.

Democrats lost the election because a bunch of shitheel Muricans decided to stay home.

It's our fault and fuck y'all for trying to blame Democrats for not inspiring people to protect marginalized groups.

Dems suck but so does the general population that refuses to take any responsibility for their part in making this happen.

If you need a god damn politician to inspire you to think beyond yourself, you fuckin suck and are trash.

Over it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There's absolutely no evidence that Harris getting elected would have done fuck all for Palestine.

Democrats lost because a lot of people who voted for Biden in 2020 voted for Trump in 2024. This was due to a perception of a majority of voters that Trump was going to do a better job on the economy, immigration, and foreign policy.

When you look at the polling data, the genocide of Palestinians does not rank high at all, even among Democrats.

Stop blaming people for what they do with their vote. That's the entire fucking point of a democracy. Hold the right people accountable for thinking they could coast to victory on a strategy of "not being Trump".

[–] [email protected] 16 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

Except instead of talking about building a resort in Gaza, she wanted a two state solution.

I will blame people for a moral failing all I want. Y'all decided to latch on to ONE issue and didn't give a shit who was harmed because of it, because suddenly, after over half a century of genocide, NOW you gave a shit

You did what the algorithm wanted you to do, and you don't care who got hurt or is currently in El Salvador, because hey, at least your shit don't stink

My trans son says "fuck you".

You are a wannabe. You don't give a shit about genocide. Because if you did, you'd do everything you could to save lives.

But instead you decided it was morally superior to let Trump in.

You're all bastards who have put my loved ones in danger.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 19 hours ago (13 children)

Except instead of talking about building a resort in Gaza, she wanted a two state solution.

No. She said her policies didn't differ from biden's. biden did nothing to pressure netanyahu to stop the genocide.

I will blame people for a moral failing all I want.

Opposing genocide isn't a moral failure. Supporting it is. You should stop but you won't.

You don’t give a shit about genocide. Because if you did, you’d do everything you could to save lives.

You do give a shit about genocide. You support it so hard that you equate genocide support with support for your trans son.

Did you see any democrat respond to the constant barrage of hate ads against trans people by actively standing up for trans people? Because I saw them avoiding the issue like the cowards they are and letting republicans move the Overton window to somewhere they were more comfortable with, or running anti-trans hate in their own ads as a preview of where the Fascist Appeasement Party desperately wants to be.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

Voting doesn't mean I support genocide.

I guess I support school shootings too? Guess I suppose privatized healthcare as well.

You're fuckin reaching.

I would be too if I assisted Trump regaining power

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As I recall, genocide was so important to centrists that they were willing to lose democracy for it.

Voted for harris. Will never stop hating myself for voting to enable genocide.

Centrists are just mad that their only policy is being enacted by their second favorite candidate.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It just wasn't an important issue when they looked at the polling data. The average American cares more about a lot of other stuff over ethnic cleansing in Palestine.

The incumbent administration looked weak in so many ways, that taking a stance against Israel would not have made a difference. Politically, it was just a wedge issue on the left. They needed to win the voters that moved from Biden to Trump, and the DNC was (and probably still is) entirely incapable of taking any big swings.

They lost because they actually expected to. Neither party actually gives a shit about democracy; power is just a mantle they pass back and forth. They are in a "you win this time" holding pattern waiting for the Republicans to fuck things up so badly that they can come back and win in '26 and '28.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (8 children)

It just wasn’t an important issue when they looked at the polling data. The average American cares more about a lot of other stuff over ethnic cleansing in Palestine.

I doubt any claim regarding what polling data unavailable to the public says. The biden administration played arms dealer for a genocide (not the mealy-mouthed euphemism "ethnic cleansing"). Why would lying about a few polls be a bridge too far?

They considered genocide opponents too insignificant to listen to. Everyone who is blaming the anti-genocide left now needs to remember that they were so devoted to netanyahu that they didn't want to listen to people whose votes they were happy to discard in their zeal to wipe out Palestinians.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If genocide is all "centrists" care about then they would be fucking ecstatic over Trump's policy not mad.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They ain't mad at trump.

They're mad at everyone who didn't like their genocide.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

... Wait, that they're getting now?

So they should be happy?

I mean, your argument is incoherent enough I think you need to consider an appointment with a mental health professional.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

… Wait, that they’re getting now?

What they're getting now is a continuation of the same policy centrists spent all of 2024 defending.

So they should be happy?

The only reason centrists aren't happy is because their second favorite candidate is carrying out their only policy instead of their favorite candidate. And they're not directing the anger at trump. As with the entire year they spent defending their genocide, they're directing their anger at their left and only their left.

I mean, your argument is incoherent enough I think you need to consider an appointment with a mental health professional.

Gaslighting people who don't agree with you is what centrist genocide apologists do when they know the only policy they actually stand up for is monstrous. Concession accepted.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Not if you don’t admit it to yourself and others!

[–] [email protected] -2 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

What makes you think the Biden administration would have done anything differently?

Do you honestly believe they would have gotten in the way of what Israel wants?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

But biden was totally playing hardball with netanyahu behind the scenes.

Oh yeah, that was just another fucking lie from the people who brought you "biden was completely lucid at the debate, what are you talking about?" and "biden was jet lagged from a trip he took nearly two weeks prior!"

[–] [email protected] -1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Remember how Biden wasn't running for reelection? Yeah no one else does, either.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Send the Israelis to Libya instead

[–] [email protected] 6 points 23 hours ago

While I don’t think it does us any favors to front-load any plans for the future with “just send to ”, it’s also good to point out that a chunk of them are originally from Libya in the first place.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"It couldn't possibly get worse"

Fuck's sake. I want to cry.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Some people have no imagination...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Deficient, juvenile, and narcissistic. And they make all the marginalized groups they claim to defend suffer for it.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Coming soon to Libya: new concentration camps

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Soldiers for more war in Libya. They won't have a say, it'll be mandatory.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Well, at least the Palestinians living in Michigan now know where the administration is going to send them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wow. He did manage to top what people said Harris would've done.

/s no maybe not

[–] [email protected] 0 points 20 hours ago

There's a 0% chance democrats would do anything to oppose Israel.

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