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[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

My wife's family is extremely health conscious and typically eats like rabbits. There's not a dish they have encountered that couldn't be "improved" with a metric fuck ton of broccoli, kale, onions, zucchini, etc. But they also love brownies. It is typically their only indulgence at family get togethers.

But instead of using eggs and oil in the mix like it calls for, they substitute those evil fats with applesauce instead. It kind of sort of works from a textural standpoint, but it definitely still tastes vaguely of applesauce which is not super desirable in a chocolate brownie. Ostensibly the idea is to make it "healthier" and lower calorie. But given all the sugar and other carbs in the batter (including the added sugar from the apples) the calorie difference is negligible but the end result is not the same at all. It feels like they missed the point and messed up the brownies for no reason at all. Doesn't stop them from calling them "healthy brownies" though. Stretching the definition of "healthy" reeeeaaaal far.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 days ago

To quote The Good Place:

There's something so human about taking something great and ruining it a little so you can have more of it.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Suggest to them to use pureed pumpkin instead. My wife does that and I can barely tell.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

My father used to make delicious pumpkin Marmelade. I couldn't get enough of that stuff.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

and typically eats like rabbits

They eat their own poop?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

I doubt OPs friends are Ethan's Kliens family.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 days ago (3 children)

In the 1990s when muffins were a craze in the USA my neighbor, a vegan food scientist, kept wondering how anyone thought cake was acceptable for breakfast. I never thought of it as cake until I made a batch and then made a cake and realized they were essentially identical processes.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

How is cake unacceptable for breakfast?

I mean, even a vegan has to appreciate the power of cake.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It’s a ton of fat and sugars with no added nutritional benefit.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But what if we flatten the cake and fry it in butter instead of baking it? Surely that would be healthy, right?

Hang on. It's a little bland. I'd better pile more butter and liquified sugar on top.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's perfect. Sweet, savory, pan fried cake.

Panfriedcake. That's what we'll call it

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Those are called pancrepes I think

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Have you tried adding blueberries to it, they are an anti oxident

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

But we need oxygen

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

If you can digest it then it's food, the chemical furnace demands more fuel.

Devoured MRE wrapper included

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Deep fried cake covered in sugar is the quintessential American breakfast food.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

I'm talking about doughnuts.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Pancakes with syrup

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

Brought to you by the same people who say donuts are acceptable breakfast

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

I consider all junkfood a type of cake, so I only eat junkfood as often as I would eat cake, which is sadly too often.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Well, any number other than zero is infinitelly greater than zero.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Pro tip for baking modern American recipes is you can cut about 1/3 of the sugar no problem, up to 1/2 on some recipes. Bran goes really well with blueberries. The blueberry muffins I make are basically lightly sweetened wheat bread and they slap. Muffins are a quick bread but somewhere along the line people wanted to lie to themselves and eat cupcakes while pretending they're still muffins

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

muffins are essentially cake in most formations. Cake, unlike many baked goods, is one where making massive changes is often ill advised as the chemistry of cakes is a lot more delicate than say bread or cookies. Removing 1/3 of the sugar in a cake/muffin recipe will lead to a tougher and drier muffin than one that has the recommended sugar amount.

Rather than remove large amounts of sugars it is better to find one that was created to not need the sugar to begin with

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It may be semantics but I do not consider muffins to be cake, that would make it a cupcake. Muffins are closer to quick bread to the point where any quick bread recipes I have tried work as muffins with no changes to ingredients only cooking time. For sure if you cut too much sugar out of something you lose structure but that's why I specified American recipes. They generally have way more sugar than what's necessary for structure and there's a lot of wiggle room with how much you can take out

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Cake is made from a sweetened batter. Muffins are made from a sweetened batter. Bread is made from dough. Dough has a lower fat/moisture content to it than batter.

Your quick bread substitutions are making something closer to rolls than muffins. Im sure your wheat roll equivalent to blueberry muffins are tasty but they are going to have a radically consistency than a traditional batter based muffin. Muffins are not quick breads.

Out of curiosity are you vegan?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Quick bread isn't the same as bread... Although I am seeing that cakes can be considered a type of quick bread so again I think this might largely be related to semantics. Things like banana bread, corn bread, biscuits, zucchini bread, are all quick breads that work as muffins and can have greatly reduced sugar without damaging their structure. The wheat and bran blueberry muffins I make are similar to sweetened wheat bread in flavor but texturally they're like a dense muffin. I'm not using gluten and yeast for the structure they use other leavening agents which is why they're a quick bread. My substitutions are: Less sugar, use whole wheat flour, sub some flour with bran and wheat germ. No I don't have any dietary restrictions

Edit to add: Also muffins don't have to be sweet like at all. There are plenty of savory muffin recipes that have little to no sugar, because they're a type of quick bread not specifically cake

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That's not as much a difference as one might think because the flour too is mainly "sugar", specifically it's starch which gets turned into glucose same as the sweet tasting sugars (side note: it's quite an interesting process since saliva itself containes enzymes that break the starch into glucose and you can actually test this yourself using iodine solutions - which you should be able to get from a pharmacy - which turns starch purple).

Ultimatelly when it comes to nutrition, you should care mainly about carbohydrates in general (which includes all the stuff that is not sweet tasting but gets turned into glucose by the human body) rather than sugars specifically.

Once you look at it this way you'll find out that a ton of stuff which is not sweet is none the less rich in "sugars", namelly things like bread, pasta, polished rice and so on.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

You should see some of the "blueberry" muffins they sell at the store nowadays. It's not even blueberry let alone fruit. Some are so bad and cheap it's just fruit flavored pellets with the packaging saying "Blueberry flavored" muffins.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

My wife .... a salad is healthy

Goes on to make a salad fit for a serving of four people filled with ranch dressing, cheese, bacon and nuts.

I love her dearly but she absolutely refuses to admit to a smaller salad.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The lady over here: I must buy the thinnest sliced cheese permissible by physics. Also my tea shall be served in a bucket with 3 cups of honey stirred in.

We have all been damaged by the world in some way.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

lol .... I was visiting a friend who was in the hospital over a period of about a month .. all of us had to go stay with him to help the family.

At one point, I got to know the nurses on the floor and I started offering to buy people coffee just to be nice. I thought if I were nice to them, they would be extra nice to my friend getting treatment.

Everyone was pretty average with their orders but some of the nurses were pretty strange. One overweight nurse asked for large triple triple (triple cream, triple sugar) ... but the best one was a short petite lady that weighed about 80lbs but tough as nails ... she asked for extra large 7 cream, 8 sugar (nicest lady ever but I just could not believe the kind of coffee she drank, it was basically a milk shake with a shot of coffee)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

I also make fat girl on a diet salads, but I am aware of what I am doing with no illusions about how healthy it is.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's ok, I believe chocolate also has antioxidants so it's healthy too!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

Especially if paired with red wine

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm pretty sure chocolate might have some caffeine too

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

That's why I make my coffee as mocha, it's a health drink!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Double healthy!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If anything, the chocolate chips are healthier than the blueberries, since chocolate has more antioxidants than blueberries.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Spoiler: Those usually are not blueberries, they are sugar beets.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I read "sugar bees" and was quite intrigued.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

They don't allow bees in here

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

That explains why they don't taste like blueberries.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Id argue blueberries healthier because of the fibre

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Muffins are cake. I don't eat cake except on special occasions. I think this is a pretty good rule.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Breakfast is a special occasion though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Especially second breakfast

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

If you're doing it daily, it's not really special IMHO.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I want you to put the same number of blueberries into each muffin.

Do you know how long that will take?

I don't care, just do it.

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