DNC Moves to Oust David Hogg After He Says Party Isn’t Standing Up to Trump : usa

[–] [email protected] 15 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

A lot of the democratic establishment used to have a close relationship with Trump and took his money often over the years. Then Biden even helped him get re-elected by all the lies and nonsense last year.

Things are not as they seem and the plan is clearly not for the establishment Democrats to stand up to Trump, they want him doing exactly what he's doing.

This is because behind the scenes, it really is a uniparty, and the only thing any of them really care about is money.

Political parties and disagreements are for the lower classes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Yes, Trump has given money to some Democrats in the past over the years. Guess what, Elon Musk used to be an environmental hero to liberal: in other words, people change. Have you ever once looked at the voting records and kinds of bills voted into law by Democrats and Republicans? I seriously doubt it. You just spout "both sides same" rhetoric without looking at the actual receipts.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (8 children)

Sure are a lot of no-avatar .world accounts in here advocating against uniting against Trump and the GOP 🤔

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 day ago (9 children)

You cannot reform the party. Either it changes you, or they have you removed.

Yes, the Democrats occupy and monopolize the space for a leftist party. That does not mean the Democrats are leftist, nor ever will be.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 22 hours ago (7 children)

I think there's plenty of Americans that are just fucking sick of both parties and government overreach even if they don't agree on all left vs right issues.

How about we finally start working towards a 3rd party? All these fucks that scammed Americans by talking about removing unnecessary regulations literally only removed the necessary ones and created some new ones in addition. I vote civil libertarian. Our slogan can be just respect civil rights and liberties, and stay the fuck out of everyone else's business.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Can't do shit with the winner takes all, first past the post abomination that is the US system. We need hundreds more senators, absolute defeat of gerrymandering, a dozen more sc justices, ranked choice and the abolishment of the electoral college.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 16 hours ago

How about we start with a just few 3rd party congressmen? That can't be too hard, right? 3 or 4 congressmen not beholden to either party. I'm sure there's at least a couple districts out there that the majority could be swayed if enough focus was put on them.

Then we elect a few more.

Then maybe a senator.

Now suddenly this 3rd party starts getting some attention. It's still by no means a majority, but that's enough congressional votes to give them a seat at the table. When votes are so split and close these days, even a small number of votes can throw things out of order. Demands can start being made.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm with you on ranked choice, gerrymandering, and electoral college, but I don't really know how adding more government or senators or SC judges really fixes anything in the long term.

I think the people need to be given more power not the government.

For example, when any government official violates their sworn duties, that should be a much bigger deal than it is. we need to do a better job of holding people's feet to the fire. When Alito flew that flag on Jan 6, that should have been an automatic chance for the people of this country to schedule a vote and demand his removal. This SC justice for life shit needs some stipulations.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Part of the appeal for more sc justices/more house of rep members, etc is twofold:

It reduces an individual lawmaker's power and (in the house of rep's case) makes an individual rep much easier for the public to pressure as they will be beholden to fewer constituents per rep (less constituents, the less support you need in order to rally people to oust the incumbent).
It makes corrupting the government with money a little bit harder: more reps = more people you need to pay off, and it's not like every additional vote you need only costs $1 or smth, we're talking you need to get everyone enough money to keep them on board, which could be an extra couple million/billion than corrupting people now.

That being said: you're right, we need more than just that. We need avenues to hold votes of non-confidence (which will both allow us to get rid of bad/not helpful public servants, and also force politicians to stop straight-up lying on the stump). We need to institute public funding of elections to keep things both balanced and less-easily corrupted. We need to end gerrymandering. We need term limits.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

How about we finally start working towards a 3rd party?

What do you mean "finally"? People have been trying that over and over and failing for over 100 years. It would be great to have a multiparty system, but there are unintended structural forces in place that will always prevent that. None of us alive today created this system. We are all stuck with it just like you. But ignoring reality just makes someone into a lifetime loser. There is nothing you can gain by making yourself into a lifetime loser.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago

Jenkins, did you hear that young master Hogg expects us to actually help the Plebs?! Egads, didn't anyone explain to him that that's a bit? Jenkins, I need you to get in the private jet and pay Schumer a visit-- no, Jenkins, thirty minutes is much too far to drive-- and also pass along this stock tip. We need to catch this Hogg before the Plebs start getting ideas, like expecting us to work, ha ha.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 day ago

Finally! The DNC is finally taking action against the...oh never mind.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

As a result of a challenge from Kalyn Free, a losing candidate in the election, the committee decided that the election was not conducted properly and that it violated the DNC’s gender parity rules. If the full body of the DNC rules the same way, it will force Hogg and fellow Vice Chair Malcolm Kenyatta to run for election again later this year.

Sounds fair to me. If he wanted people to support him unconditionally then he wouldn't be running spoiler candidates against his own party.

I understand a lot of people don't think the DNC is good enough. But they don't seem to know how good the DNC is in general or even how much better it is than the alternative.

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