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How's relocating? (hexbear.net)
submitted 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

Two years on from graduating and I've become my computer science degree isn't worth the paper it was printed on, so I've made the decision to try and swing a civil engineering degree in two years. Enough credits transfer that it should be a normal class load. But beyond that, I want to get the hell out of the south yesterday. I want to give living in the PNW a shot and I'd rather avoid waiting another two years for it because I'm at that age where I get very self-conscious about what little time left I have as a """young""" person and how I need to meet somebody or get ready for a dating market where most people my age are taken. We're working with layers of complexes here.

My plan is to see if I can't convince the two friends of mine who were already looking to move to come with me, work a year so I qualify for in-state tuition, then do a two year in-and-out at the university of oregon. On the surface, moving 2500 miles away from the only place I've ever lived to go somewhere I've only heard about through the distorted lens of media in order to take on tens of thousands of dollars of debt is a fantastically awful idea. Upon closer inspection, it continues to feel like a very bad idea. I could very easily end up far worse off than I started, and I'm already in a very precarious spot. But you know what? I've only done what I felt like were good, safe ideas so far and I'm deeply dissatisfied with where that's left me. I went for a safe major that was supposedly guaranteed employment in a high-earning field and after eating all of the time and money that degrees generally do, it did nothing for me. So now I'm going to take a risk on going where (I think) I want to go to do what (I think) I want to do. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't terrified of the consequences of my own actions, but I just can't take living in the fucking suburban south another year.

I have to acknowledge that, along the shallowest dimension, I want some place that lines up more with my personal aesthetic tastes. Cowboy country pick-up bullshit grates against me tremendously. But more practically, the southern states are on a downward trend. They're the most conservative, the more environmentally at-risk, and the poorest, all of which are troubling signs for the future of the people who live here. Maybe the proper Communist thing to do would to be to stay and fight the rising tide, but at the end of the day, I am a coward who knows no community.

My schedule is pretty rushed since I have to be there before September if I want to qualify for in-state tuition for next Fall. I'll miss my parent's dogs (as much mine as theirs) deeply, and I feel guilty that one of them is getting old and I won't be there to see him through to the end. I'll miss bluebell, gumbo, and Mardi Gras. As frustrating as they can be, I'll miss my parents and my sister. And that's the heart of it. I don't know if I'm giving up everything I've ever known because I'm so internet poisoned that I think I'll be happy because the vague notion of communism is more popular, the economy is better, and I think cold weather is cool. So that's it for this pseudo-diary entry. Can anybody relate? More broadly, has anybody here bootstrapped themselves in a wholly new place before?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Get the fuck out of the South. Best decision I have made in my life. Wasted my 20's (that's adult life I was born and raised) down there. My prospects were IMMEDIATELY better the moment I headed out of there

Being around people who are actually trying to do interesting things is also a big plus for it. It's huge motivation when the people around you are trying to like do things

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Not much to say about relocating, but can talk about the PNW if you have any lingering questions

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I guess my main question would be as to how it compares to the popular perception. That, and any insight on how much of a struggle it would be making it in Portland on ~$22/hr would be appreciated.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Looks like you'd do better in Portland on $22/hr than the rest of the region:

Also this page, while soulless had a lot of semi-useful info: https://datausa.io/profile/geo/portland-or/

As I recall Oregon has an income tax but no sales tax

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago
  • 22/hr is fine if you're cool with a lower end apartment or roommate(s). Seattle is more expensive.
  • Cities are full of liberals with some leftist presence. Seattle has had Sawant for several years, Portland just got a bunch of DSAers on their newly chartered council. Most young-ish progressive people are like "let's join Canada!". There is a growing movement for a statewide Universal Healthcare plan (some potential good news, for once).
  • The nature is excellent, no matter what type you prefer (except warm tropical beaches ofc). From Eugene you're an hour or two from the scenic McKenzie River, or the coast (Oregon Dunes where Frank Herbert was inspired while writing Dune). Big trees everywhere.
  • It's white af. Plenty of racist history to get into against the Inidigenous, Chinese, black people, etc....
  • Rural areas are often still very racist. Passing through most places shouldn't be a problem for PoC, but Baker City (and other places that are basically idaho), and small towns should have their guard up. Ashland, Eugene, Silverton, and Bend are all liberal for their size. Corvallis maybe too, it's a college town so tis fine, just maybe not as disproportionate as the others.
  • Portland is a world class food city if that's something you're into. Seattle has more sights if you manage to make the trip up there. Vancouver feels like an actual first world city, too bad you can afford to live there, but it's a nice weekend visit as well. Probably more of an after-college trip though.
[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I don't think there is any undergraduate degree which guarantees a job anymore.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Instead of UO, I know OSU has a good civil engineering program, especially because it requires an internship, usually for a local city, so you get experience and name recognition when hiring time rolls around. Going rate to share living space is around $1k/person/month

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Was also going to recommend this. OSU is the ag/engineering school, UO is better for the liberal arts/language/law etc. Ofc they have some crossover, but Engineering is OSU's largest college with the most resources.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

Most people I know who relocated left forever because it was genuinely better than where they were. Find a roommate on Craigslist, get some full time work doing whatever you can and spend the rest of your time exploring whatever scenes you are apart of to make new friends and find best opportunities as you get acclimated. I don't think you'll regret it

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

relocating is a big pain in the ass, but it's very rewarding. new places, new people. I've done it a few times and it's not so bad especially when the alternative is stay somewhere and be unhappily exploited to recreate the institutions of exploitation with no liberation or improvement in sight. it's not like you're even leaving the country, so your documents, credit and bank accounts all work or transfer.

it'll force you to be a little more outgoing, to function outside your comfort zone and make peace with unfamiliarity.

out of my friends growing up, I was always the most risk averse and introverted. but my experiences pushed me to learn and grow, to become more of an explorer and adaptable to take life as it comes.

also, in my experience, there is a type of person that knows the struggle of relocating and when they find you have done so, they will be extra welcoming and volunteer all manner of information to help you find what you need. most people never move far from home, but many Americans know dislocation intimately and are all to happy to share their knowledge.

if you're serious about it, you should get comfortable with the idea of going ahead on your own, rather than as a coordinated group. some people like the idea of moving and fantasize about it, but lack the courage to actually do it no matter how easy you make it for them and lack the self understanding to ever acknowledge they're not going anywhere.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

also, I definitely miss a lot of southern foodways, especially cajun/creole, but thank christ for immigrant communities.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah I don't like thinking about how much I'm gonna miss poboys or gumbo or etouffee.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

if you get real hard up, you can always make them.

but it absolutely sucks that I can't just be lazy and roll up on one of three places near my old house and have takeout etouffee, gumbo, jambalaya or whatever in my hand. I was so spoiled.

I'm up close enough to Canada now where I can get some poutine at some places, which I gotta say is pretty genius lol.

otherwise, there is an incredibly vibrant Thai/Viet and SE asian communities where I moved, so I have been getting to know a some new curries and the hot and sour soups.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Portland is great, and while the PNW is expensive, it’s a lot cheaper if you can live without a car, which is easier in Portland than a lot of west coast cities.

I worked for 11 years as a structural engineer, and am now in software. I will say, while the work is fun, it is not well compensated for the level of anxiety that comes with designing structures for human habitation and the abysmal level of technical review given at most companies.

There’s also a bit of a slump on right now, since people don’t know if steel is going to double in price or not. But that shouldn’t be a concern since hopefully all that will be sorted by the time you graduate.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

Do it. If you aren't Happy with where you are, you aren't going to magically become happy. There is still plenty of organizing work to do in the PNW.

I prefer cold weather as well so I definitely think that's a good thing.

Maybe you can come back to the south in a few more years and convince the peasants to rise up

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

I kind of did that. But not engineering. Went to LCC first then U of O after a years hiatus. Eugene is a great city, the U of O campus is beautiful

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I absolutely feel this and am in the process of moving somewhere outside of the Midwest for the same reason, though it’s more difficult than it seemed when I started the process. On one hand, I don’t want to leave my family, but my friends are already scattered around the country so it’s not like I have that to lose.

No advice, just solidarity. That’s all I’ve got for ya. Good luck in your new adventure!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Definitely feel the family thing. That's by far the hardest part.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Why University of Oregon instead of Oregon State?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Haven't heard about Oregon State before.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

I'm hesitant to say if a program is better than another, as that's subjective, depending on what your pathway is. But according to most traditional measures, OSU has the more well-regarded civil engineering program. It's far larger, better funded, has more research opportunities and research facilities, etc. If you're planning to practice engineering in the PNW, a degree from OSU will go further than a degree from UO.

It's the classic legacy of the country's public university history. Traditionally, most moderately sized states would found two big public universities. They founded a "University of " in the state capital. That school tended to focus on fields like medicine and law. Then somewhere else, often in an agrarian community, they would found a " State University." Those who were interested in engineering or farming went to the State U. Or sometimes these were dubbed "agricultural and mechanical colleges." That's what the A&M in Texas A&M and other A&Ms stand for. Today, that distinction is less important. You can get a civil engineering degree at University of Oregon. But the "state" universities tend to have better civil engineering programs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

i would be concerned about moving on such short notice (i took about a year and a half to deliberate on where to move post-college) but it also sounds like you have a lot going for you in this move (bringing friends with you, clear plan to relocate) that i didn't have.

i also bootstrapped my whole life when i felt like i was in a rut, and it was worth it. im away from family but still have some school friends near me and that helped a lot w actually making the leap (was homeless while looking for a lease :<)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I have to ask, why are you choosing CivE?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

I think architecture and urban design are really cool but with my existing credits civE would take less time and pay more.