We had a deal? I'm pretty sure it was just yolo'd
this post was submitted on 18 Sep 2023
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Nah, it was oven ready /s
Jesus fucking Christ, years on and they're still mumbling 'a better deal' instead of admitting it was total failure. No details. No broad goals. Just... better! Somehow. And that's good enough for right-wing types, because they don't really mean things when they make the mouth noises. Their guy says better, it must be so! Your guy says better, well, so what.
Education is a means to an end. The main point being you cannot just reverse Brexit. There are still plenty of idiots who believe it should stay. The only way to reverse this is to show people what they are getting for their money. Brexit will not be here in 10 years time.
There is no fucking chance the EU would let the UK back in within 10 years. They are sick and tired of the UK's 'negotiating'
Barnier lol
Some random gaslighter on the internet, lol.
He's not in office so he doesn't speak for the EU lol
He has until very recently held the opinions of the whole of the EU. He is a highly credible source for what the EU thought process and what it wants. The whole agenda of the EU is to unite Europe by trade with a view to preventing future conflicts. Who in the EU has stated that the UK could not rejoin?
There will be hurdles to jump in the path back into the EU. There will be concessions made on both sides. I could easily see Greece holding out for the Elgin marbles and succeeding. Spain will attempt and fail to reintegrate Gibraltar. The EU will also have changed a lot by the time we rejoin. No one in the EU will have the same conditions that they have had in the past.
There is no rejoin process. The application would have to be started afresh, current wait times are in excess of a decade, so I stand by statement that there is no way the UK will join the EU within 10 years.
Again the opinion of some random on the internet.
It's a fact, not an opinion. You are voicing your opinion that the UK could rejoin because some retired failed French president wannabe says so.
Please paste a link to the EU rejoining process
It’s a fact, not an opinion.
Based on what? You keep spouting gibberish but never with anything to back it up.
Labour are already in negotiations to dampen the effects of Brexit. Closer alignment is admitting that we have to align and trade with the EU for a better economy.
Sigh
Facts:
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There is no rejoin process
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The joining process takes on average a decade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Union
Versus your quoted ramblings of an old man in the Torygraph
A simple google will confirm Barnier's comments. First you say they are invalid because of the speaker, now you criticise the source when the speaker is highlighted as being extremely credible. A very poor attempt imo.
From your own link:
According to the EU treaties, membership of the European Union is open to "any European State which respects the values referred to in Article 2 and is committed to promoting them" (TEU Article 49). Those Article 2 values are "respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human rights, including the rights of persons belonging to minorities." This is based on the 1993
The reason some Eastern block countries take so long is because they have to change their own infrastructure. The UK does not have to do this. You are not comparing apples to apples.
Membership requires that candidate country has achieved stability of institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights, respect for and protection of minorities, the existence of a functioning market economy as well as the capacity to cope with competitive pressure and market forces within the Union. Membership presupposes the candidate's ability to take on the obligations of membership including adherence to the aims of political, economic and monetary union.
The UK currently fails under this criteria. Starmer has made pledges to reverse all this crap within 100 days.
Before a country applies for membership it typically signs an association agreement to help prepare the country for candidacy and eventual membership. Most countries do not meet the criteria to even begin negotiations before they apply, so they need many years to prepare for the process. An association agreement helps prepare for this first step.
Does not apply to the UK once these scumbags are gone. Provided Starmer makes good on his commitments. We also have to renegotiate the TCA in 2025. One thing is certain is that the UK will align closer to the EU. This will facilitate any future requests to rejoin not hinder them. The days of divergence will die with the Tories.
Sure, the EU will let the UK jump to the front of the queue.
I thought you might have a better grasp of politics than that
I thought you might have a better grasp of politics than that
Whilst having nothing to contradict what I am stating. Having an inane belief in an opinion does not make it true.
Having an inane belief in an opinion does not make it true.
Finally you get it!
:D
The TCA has a 5 year review process so there's opportunity to improve on the very thin deal that was agreed at pace and with idiots in Downing Street
The EU also offered reduced checks for food safety alignment, and musicians visas.
There are plenty of areas to work on, especially now Labour has a leader who isn't anti EU as well.
Still on the hunt for the perfect Brexit
I don't think the EU wants y'all back fella...
Sure we've had Brexit, but what about second Brexit?
I don't think they know about second Brexit Pip.
The EU wants the UK back. We're stronger together and the UK can bring much to the table if it's not currently going bonkers.
Yeah, about that whole "not going bonkers" thing ...
You're kidding. It'd be an astonishing political victory.
Not to rejoin, no (and who can blame them?). But that's not his plan!
TBH the UK in the single market is a better outcome for the UK as well as the EU. It puts something like reins on our frequently out-of-control government and leaves one powerful neoliberal voice out of the shouting match.
Would these mean we're 'reheating' Bojo's 'oven-ready deal'.
That would imply that it really was over-ready as opposed to uncooked random ingredients still sitting in fields in farms, probably in the EU.
I voted Leave. This is fine.
Successive governments chopping and changing our relationship with the EU is what I expect. Brexit is a process, not an event.
What on earth could the UK offer to the EU to even think of opening a re-negotiation phase? And if you believe that the UK can somehow "out-deal" the UK during that, remember that the negotiation skills are still with the EU.
But you said you voted for desaster. You got it, be happy.
I mean, they literally renegotiated the Northern Ireland Protocol earlier this year. Or the "Windsor Framework" as it's known.
The whole point of negotiations is to create a situation that's beneficial to both parties. It's in both the UK's and the EU's interest.
Pretty weird seeing British tourists disappear over the past few years. Used to run into them all the time.