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The main reason why I use open source is precisely because I don't need or want to worry about this crap. The software is as much property of humanity as it is of the creator, it is basically just knowledge

This is akin to MAGA calling the pope marxist cuz he disagrees with them, some people are so one-dimensional its comical, you cant fight stupidity with stupidity, this is how actual fascists justify all of their extremist views, extremism just encourages extremism on the other side and gives those who are indoctrinated a bigger reason to support their indoctrinators. Tunnel vision is one crazy phenomenon 🤡

Regardless of his views I'll continue using it and supporting it. People will find anything good and look for a reason to ruin it grow tf up.

I think it’s really funny how in proprietary software, if you download stuff without asking, you’re presumed to have economically harmed a business. But in free and open source software, if you download stuff without asking, you’re presumed to have economically benefited the random individual that made the project.

I don't really care, the Lemmy devs also got some funky political opinions but I'm still here

at the end of the day software is software and this stuff is all free and open source anyway

Honestly I just stopped caring about developer's personalities or political views. If you only use products made by nice guys who share your political views you won't use anything in your life. Not even a phone.

It is a quandary.

I would not support the project monetarily because I would not want to fund the primary persons behind it.

But Hyprland is FOSS is it not? Someone could fork the project to resolve the issue you are describing.

If this does not resolve the issue in your opinion (as you seem to have concerns with the "roots" of the project), and if we go with that logic, we should be just as opposed to using the modern "Jerry" gas can as it was a Nazi invention originally.

Both good and evil people invent things - whether the thing that is invented is itself reflective or could be considered supportive of the inventors ideals varies. Nazi's are terrible and I don't want to support them, but at the same time I think that it is good and useful to be able to safely and effectively transport gas if needed, and I'm not so certain that function supports Nazi ideals. If I purchased the gas can from a Nazi, then it would, but nothing is being purchased in the case of Hyprland as far as I am aware.

I don't know a tonne about Hyprland as a thing however, so my decision on whether or not to use it may also vary.

In short, you can have massive, entirely valid criticisms of the evil deeds of a person, but that does not necessarily fault everything they invent or touch, even if we would like it to. This is the crux of the Composition/Division logical fallacy if I am not mistaken, which is where we make an assumption that what is true about part of something must be applied to the rest of it without exception.

In this instance, the inventor may be evil but it does not automatically mean that their inventions are inherently evil.

If there are criticisms of Hyprland, the software itself - then it is a different matter.

Vaxry is not a very smart guy. He originally got a wrist slap by FDO saying don't do your toxic shit here. Then he followed it up by going postal on the FDO mailing list. Then he put up a blog post where he was like like "SJWs are coming for me".

https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-inclusiveActivists

The entire argument is that you can't make an exclusionary space for people (no definition of what that means) but you should be able to call them slurs. Who would want anything to do with him? He should have gone full tilt and made a list of slurs you should be allowed to say beyond just arguing for the R-slur. That would have really convinced people he's not an extremely toxic right wing weirdo.

https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-hyprlandsCommunity

This was his non-apology where he says "lets be real" a lot which is a common way of just ignoring a criticism and then he follows it up with, I should have banned that user instead of doing what I did.

Asking for professionalism in the OSS community is not a huge deal. It's also quite literally not even about the code AFAIR Drew Devault is still taking Vaxry's patches. He just doesn't want him in the community starting shit with people.

Repeat after me:

"You do not support a project or its dev in any way by just using the software you got for free."

In fact, unless you donate, advertize or contribute to the project, you're a net drain on its resources.

After reading a lot of the material I am not convinced the hyprland dev can reasonably be called a "fascist".

It's an interesting story, though.

Nikola Tesla and Thomas Edison could have both had kids in their basement, would that stop me from using electricity absolutely fucking not, someone invents something I like, and is useful to me, I use it, I don't fucking care what he thinks about anything, he could be best mates with fucking Kanye and make music about how he fucked his cousin, I'd still use it, it's open source and useful, he works on it full time from what it seems and maintains it for himself and not you lot and your huge fucking egos who think everything revolves around you. He wanted to make something he'd find useful and decided to share it with the world.

Would you stop using anything mass manufactured, just because Henry Ford, who did in fact have actual Nazi ideals, hated Jews and worker's rights, invented the conveyor belt, and call anybody that uses mass manufactured items a fascist?

I don't care, i care for the tech. I don't need to make friends with the devs of the tech nor give them my money.

They have different political views than me, yes. Does it affect the tech they develop? Not in my opinion.

Im looking forward to the full release of cosmic as I dont want to keep using hyprland. Sadly theming is incomplete and it'll be a while before good themes get released.

And on that note, I condemn in the harshest terms the response from communities like /r/linux on the subject. The vile harassment and hate directed at the FDO officer in question is obscene and completely unjustifiable. I don’t care what window manager or desktop environment you use – this kind of behavior is completely uncalled for. I expect better.

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Fuck hyprland All my homies hate hyprland

You probably don't care about my opinion, but one of the reason I don't really care about this is that I only have the "drama" second hand from very unreliable sources. There is the Vaxry's version of the story which cannot be trusted because that's conflict of interest. Then there is Drew, who according to a Distrotube video is quite a bizzare person, who really enjoys to stir the drama and write these extremely misleading "hitpieces" on famous FOSS people. The issue is that to me Distrotube is not a credible source regarding this either because he's got for me too schizo view of the world. He has a rifle collection, in case he has to fight for his country. (including a rifle, "that's good for children")

So it's just too foggy for me. Well I don't promote Hyprland because I don't care about my computer's "looks" and because according to some (I think) Void dev, Hyprland code is crap. But that's a different story. Anyways my point is that I can see why people can see it as not that bad.

edit: adding sources for the Drew, Distrotube and Void stuff, in that order. Also the Drew video relies on indirect evidence but for me it's fairly convincing.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NLHIIVppdMw

https://youtube.com/watch?v=nvQ-ZY460WQ

https://reddit.com/r/voidlinux/comments/1eb3ivp/on_hyprland

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