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The West was moving to the right — and then Donald Trump got elected again

Something is happening among America's allies, and it's a tremendous relief. For some years now, we've seen the MAGA-infused global right gaining a foothold amongst western democracies, largely driven by the same demagogic, nationalist, pseudo-populism that has fueled Donald Trump's dominance on the American right.

Some countries like Hungary have served as a sort of experiment for the kind of post-democratic autocracies dreamt of by the modern right wing in which government co-opts, intimidates and de-legitimizes the political opposition to create an authoritarianism that dominates the culture and the politics without a lot of overt violence.

But the rise of the far right among the Western allies seems to be stalling out.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Fascism. It's called Fascism, not, "Trumpism."

So fucking stupid.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

At this point, if a news outlet or politician refuse to call it what it is, I assume they actually approve.

So far it's most of them across the world.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I think a lot of them are afraid of being censored by the fascism for being alarmist. And then trying to hold onto a position of relative power via information is a tricky one, because you have to balance not only your tv station, but the backers, your audience, your managers, your coworkers, your position, your career, and also your life. These people are really REALLY risk adverse, for many different reasons. I'm not justifying it, but I'm imagining this is at least the intuition that some may be working through. Explanation is not justification.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (6 children)

I think US commentators make far too much of Trump and US political influence on the world. It exists but we all have our own cultures, political systems etc out here and we proudly do our own thing. The arrogance of people on all sides of US politics who think an election result on the other side of a world is a reflection of their own domestic politics is incredible.

It would be convenient if the rest of the world could fix a broken US democracy but it is a fantasy. US citizens need to address their problems through struggle and resistance. Their current problems runs very deep in their society and isn't simply an international fashion trend.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 hours ago

I mean the world can fix a broken US democracy by boycotting the US entirely on all fronts until a democratic country emerges.

This will take a while though as we have seen with South Africa.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

I’m astounded that Theresa May wasn’t the calling that unrestricted liberal economics (aka trickle down) is a fairytale.

And that economic stability is held by the safety net the lower class makes use of and the middle class falls back to. (Social economics)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

And yet I keep seeing Trump's name and picture next to German words I can't read here... curious.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I honestly don’t see a way out of this other than a war against the fascists. Something like the American civil war where the racists got their asses thoroughly beaten, or WWII, where the Nazis got absolutely crushed. I feel like it’s just one of those things that pops up once in a while. Basically, fascists are the herpes of society.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

This American situation is partly the long tail of the failure of reconstruction; Confederates got their asses handed to them but they were never properly removed from power. Now the racists are once again in charge, their monuments still stand, their flag is still flown, and the southern strategy is central to their political power.

Compare this to Germany, who stripped Nazis from power, outlawed their symbols, and have guard rails to prevent fascist movements from rising again. (They are now being used against AfD.)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 hours ago

Compare this to Germany, who stripped Nazis from power, outlawed their symbols, and have guard rails to prevent fascist movements from rising again. (They are now being used against AfD.)

Don't know where you're getting that from.

Most Nazis were never actually stripped from positions of power after the war (teachers, public services, our secret services, political parties, I could go on). Outlawing their symbols did fuck all obviously and isn't even enforced as long as you don't go around outright spraying swastikas on walls in broad daylight (or are an antifascist displaying one thrown into a bin, crossed out or otherwise clearly used with an opposing intention). The people in power are unwilling to use the guardrails and systems that we have to prevent Nazis from rising to power again. Meanwhile we have an extremism problem in our police force who won't protect anybody from the mob when the time comes, and a "conservative" party that's just always lagging 5 years behind the AfD in their policies, racing ever further to the right in their wind shadow.

We're fucked.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 hours ago

Exactly this. The Confederates should never have been allowed to rejoin society.

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[–] [email protected] 220 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (9 children)

Celebrating prematurely. The UK is about to go fascist, Germany is teetering on the brink, and Canada only just dodged a bullet for now.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 12 hours ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 88 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

Yes, Italy, Hungary and others are already well down the fascist path. Romania just went fascist. Austria is struggling not to be wholly under the far right's control, depending on a coalition to hold them off. The far right has significant power in the governments of Slovakia, Netherlands, Finland, and Sweden. Portugal and Belgium are also dealing with surging far right movements.

It's absurd to conclude it's over because centrism squeaked through in Canada and Australia. It's like everyone relaxing in 2020 because the US public were sure to see sense under Biden.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I heard that Poland is also cheering for some MAGA guy in the next election... Troubling times ahead.

For Romania, there might still be a chance in the run-off. However, the difference between the two candidates was quite large (20% difference; 1.8 million votes). Similarly, the other candidates seemed to have voters that would rather vote for the nazi. Most likely all hope is lost, but that 1% chance is still there.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 12 hours ago

And Portugal overthrew fascism in the 1970s, too...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 12 hours ago

Italy has always been a joke, Hungary too

Greece was coming frighteningly close to nazism a few years back

It's so frustrating to see

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

... Canada only just dodged a bullet for now

By 3 points; less than a basketball goal

And don't forget that Italy, Poland and Hungary are already there and we're about to invade the few countries that went left.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Poland actually got rid of their right wing government in the last election in 2023 and are hopefully dumping the president who's been blocking reform. It can be done.

https://www.chathamhouse.org/publications/the-world-today/2025-03/tusk-eyes-chance-purge-far-right-polands-presidential-election

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Poland is not out of the woods yet though

[–] [email protected] 15 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

We don’t have a general election for another 4 years in the UK.

Reform won some council seats and are already having issues.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

The fact that they’re getting this far bothers me though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

What? No. All our (Canadian) fascists are gonna separate and join the US. Then we’ll be a fascist-free country!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Trade Alberta for the Western and Northeastern states

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago

I sure hope this is right…

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 hours ago

One can hope, but each time I get optimistic, some crazy bullshit goes down.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Better late than never I suppose. Congrats everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I'll take it. Really. It sucks for us. But if this is what it takes to get everyone else to kick this bullshit ass ideology and actually get on with progress over stagnation let's fucking go.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Agree. Let's take the hit and move towards getting off this fucking planet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Take the hit and learn the lessons. And fix this planet.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 26 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

It's not Trumpism, it's fascism.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

😂

Those things are, in fact, equivalent.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Salon, huffpo, msnbc ffs. These are the hopium sites favored by the beaten left, because actual corporate journalism collapsed under it’s own ignorance and greed a long time ago.

The NYT will trot out a hopium piece every once in awhile like rainbow-flagging-the-logo for Pride month, but it’s all clickbait.

Who are you going to vote for in the midterms? The left needs to get its shit together. Propaganda, corruption, and blatant lies are kicking our ass.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago

You have to wonder what infects the minds of people such that they fall for this in other countries.

I have a good idea what does it here.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 hours ago

But the rise of the far right among the Western allies seems to be stalling out.

Sorry, wut??

Can't imagine what in the screaming goat fuck would lead you to this conclusion other than pure blind idiocy...

🤷‍♂️ 🤡 🖕

[–] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago

The Australian election is a perfect example of people voting against something. It's not that Labor were particularly palatable (I personally voted for the Greens), but the alternate of Temu Trump was more than most people could countenance

The nation collectively voted for the lesser evil

I'm hugely relieved, but the most interesting thing is the vote from the younger cohort who have aged a bit. It's not news to anyone who pays attention to politics, but they usual shift rightward with age isn't happening to the same degree

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