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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Germany is closer than ever to a second fascist takeover, with the ruling CDU actively trying to normalize the AfD, and the latter now leading the polls, by far the highest they've ever been. They've also doubled their vote in the last election. So yes, antifascists did not win here

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Nor are they antifascist by any means. In fact they love to put antifascists on watch lists, and cry in the media about the dangers of the radical left while ignoring years of nazis organizing to murder minorities.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah remember when we all banded together and peacefully voted hitler and mussolini out?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago (13 children)

If Hitler hadn't been in office, do you imagine nothing would be different? Like they'd pluck that rabble-rousing failed artist off the street when Hindenburg died?

If Hillary had won, The Idiot would just be some fuckin' guy. The same loudmouthed punchline he'd always been. The election was the only thing that gave him power - so not electing him would have stopped his atrocities.

When Biden was in, The Idiot was right back to being some fuckin' guy. He got arrested. He was being federally prosecuted. He was facing unpardonable state charges. The election was the only thing keeping his fat ass out of jail.

If Harris had won, The Idiot would still be some fuckin' guy. He couldn't disappear people to foreign countries, from his couch.

Elections matter. Elections work. Elections are step one. If you just don't put fascists in power, fascists tend not to have power. If you're dumb enough to do it anyway - we did in fact peacefully vote out The Idiot. Remember? Biden won. By the skin of his teeth, thanks to our batshit stupid electoral system. Despite every effort to prevent, lie about, and then ignore the results. American democracy was strong enough that this liberal-bashing jibe actually happened - once.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 days ago (11 children)

Well, is it enough? Voting is good, but is it enough to defeat fascism? It wasn't enough in the USA. It would be wonderful if voting was enough everywhere, but fascists don't just accept the results of an election and give up their dreams of ruling over you.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (7 children)

It wasn't enough in the USA.

Perhaps ironically, because people didn't vote. Anti-electoralists/accelerationists oppose reform and incremental change.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Yes it is ironic. But even if ppl voted and we got the democrats. There’s still lots to do. The dems are still neoliberals who prioritise the wealth of the few over the lives of the many. They are just a little more moderated than the republicans at that.

So if you vote Dem and think “I’ve done all I can” you’re also part of the problem. Lasting serious change requires radical collective action. Voting isn’t enough. It’s just a tiny thing you should do aswell. The bulk of the effort stands outside it.

Voting is not how we get liberation. It’s how we occasionally slow down the machine that crushes people.

(Obligatory Fuck Hexbear for their support of Imperialist and Genocidal Regimes)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

So if you vote Dem and think “I’ve done all I can” you’re also part of the problem. Lasting serious change requires radical collective action. Voting isn’t enough. It’s just a tiny thing you should do aswell. The bulk of the effort stands outside it.

Absolutely. It's just a bare minimum for anyone serious about positive change.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I wrote the title too hastily. I meant to say it doesn't count as all for them, not that it's enough.

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