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AI could make Duolingo better because it doesn't teach a language in its current state. It could explain to the user why their answer is wrong and offer exercises. But instead of doing that, they simply replace employees to save money? What a garbage company. It's a shame their app is so popular. It gives people nothing but a false sense of learning.
It could explain to the user why their answer is wrong
FWIW that feature has existed in the premium version for about a year or so
I abandoned Duolingo 6 months ago. If that's true, they failed to advertise that to me. In any case, with modern llms you don't need Duolingo for that. You can ask them. You can copy-paste any article on a subject that interests you, and ask an llm to simplify it to your A1-A2 level. You can ask it to generate exercises, to explain things. Flashcards? Please, Anki is free.
When I got rid of Duo, it had removed the crowd sourced explanations and only had the super-premium support in select countries, so even if I wanted to subscribe to it, as a non-American, I couldn't.
Mind you, I didn't want the AI-based version because yeah. I could use Anki + ChatGPT for free.
Thanks for the heads up. Deleted my account and unistalled their app.
Can't be good for the quality. I already get a lot of errors in my native language: the correct translation to my native language is not accepted and the "correct translation according to Duolingo" is grammatically wrong. So I keep getting errors for not using wrong grammar in my own mother language. This is going to keep getting so much worse and I have to wonder, if I'm even learning the correct grammar in the foreign language.
yeah, it's pretty common for AI answers to feel very accurate and useful on topics the user doesn't know much about, but highly error-prone and unreliable on topics the user is an expert in. ... ... ...
Them: this is not about replacing employees with AI
they then proceed to explain how they will give new work to AI first instead of hiring people
Thankfully this shit service has never seen a cent from me (and I know 2 languages), and I'll definitely keep it this way...
It was a good app ten years ago when you could use it as much as you wanted for a few short ads. Now its an ad-ridden mtxfest.
that's the really depressing part, they took something that could have kind of revolutionized the world (imagine everyone having easy access to learning the major languages), and just snapped its neck like a defenseless kitten
I was gonna say language learning is actually one of the few AI might be useful for, but they're not talking about making their users learn with a little AI translator having a random conversation with them; they're replacing their workforce with AI.
Fuck. I was considering using Duo once I finish school to give myself some more options to flee the US as we dive deeper into nazism. Any good alternatives?
As someone learning Japanese
There's no fucking way AI would be able to assist in learning a second language
Any good alternatives?
Join a class. These apps are a waste of time.
Find a personal tutor social media. Pay them money. It's easier than it ever has been
The problem with current AI text generation is that it can be wrong, which is bad if you are trusting it with giving correct information to learn
Deepl, even though its made for translating, it is often wrong
Language Transfer on SoundCloud or Busuu if you want more of an app / exercises experience.
I know I'm going to sound like a stock Marxist from the 1930s, but: AI is a means of production and therefore should be collectivized.
the devs appropriated the models from the masses.
Anki is great for flashcards with lots of community generated decks for free download:
Language Transfer, lingodeer
What language are you trying to learn?
They already have AI driven conversations if you pay.
Which is about the extent AI could benefit a service like Duolingo. Gutting their workforce isn't going to make it any better.
Neat. Here's how you can delete your account: https://www.duolingo.com/help/delete-my-account-and-data
Can I delete my account if I never made an account in the first pace?
Perfect. Thank you.
Just in time for spring cleaning. Thanks.
Honestly I was thinking of removing duo before this. It's just glorified flash cards making you memorize words associations instead of getting into how thimgs work. I still haven't gotten the rules of how verb conjugation works in Italian. Just gonna read the books I got.
That's a bad description of it, though. There exist flash card apps, such as Anki and Memrise, and Duolingo has many other features. Grammar, reading, speaking, those are all built-in.
Of course some people prefer to learn grammar using the old-fashioned "grammar translation" method, and you are free to do so if you want to, but on average the speed of that method is slow.
Certainly it's a good idea to have at least two study materials, which could include Duolingo, or not, according to personal preference.
I was using Khan Academy when they went to AI. Suddenly my answers were being marked as incorrect, even though they matched the "correct" answer presented. Or they were marked incorrect becuase I used pi, when it said I could answer in terms of pi.
I'm expecting the same to happen here.
For the first time ever, teaching as well as the best human tutors is within our reach.
No it fucking isn't. The video calls are awful and don't do anything to help you learn why what you said is wrong. Lilly just acts confused and ignores what you said. And in their normal explanations it just assumes why you didn't know something, gives an answer for what it guessed, and doesn't do anything else. The old explanations were much better than the new garbage they offer.
That's pretty on point for the kind of stereotypical girl lily is supposed to be.
I’m wondering which of these 2 options is true for the chief techbro who came up with this:
Yep they're paying lip service to the employees but this message is 100% to potential investors looking to bet on the AI wave.
it being an email from their CEO is basically all the evidence needed, CEOs don't say anything that isn't somehow meant to increase profits.
They believe in infinite growth. They think LLMs are going to get reliable fast. LLMs have probably played a direct role in convincing them of that
Humans-last
Glad I finished my first Dutch unit just to get the basics and am deleting the app today. It feels like a real condemnation of the state of modern AI that I don't trust a large language model with languages.
I haven't used the app for a while, but I still have it installed. The delete account button doesn't work, and neither does the feedback button. Cool.
Try a VPN to any EU country. I find that platforms can get really cooperative really fast when you wanna delete your account and they think GDPR applies
Unless you're already in the EU in which case you could try "Mine" (saymine.com) although it's been a minute and the AI stuff on their site does by fill me.with confidence
Anyone had any luck getting refunded?
I'm working on Spanish now with it and I have to admit it's significantly improved from the last time I used it a few years back. Fewer nonsense sentences to translate like "My bear loves your house", which was frustrating and felt so useless. There's way more listening and speaking modules, they are generally decent at speech to text, and the language pronunciation sounds more realistic with multiple very different voices.
However, I never know why I got a question wrong, and can't do anything to rectify that other than report that the AI made a mistake, which helps with their model training, but does absolutely squat for my learning. Even the more gamified exercises are just fancy tests, where you are expected to 'learn' by getting things wrong, seeing the correct answer and regurgitating it. The community forums and explanations are gone, and each module has maybe one or two example sentences that typically don't even cover the full range of content in the module.
My husband and I have a family plan, and he is a much more dedicated user than me, but I would never pay for duolingo on my own.
If I could make a recommendation for Spanish specifically that helped me - I'll paste a comment I made a few months ago
I highly recommend checking out Dreaming Spanish - it’s a channel/site that teaches Spanish through a method called comprehensible input. Basically, all you do is watch, listen, and read in Spanish totally in Spanish, no translations whatsoever. That sounds intimidating, but the beginner stages they really talk at you like you’re a baby almost. They talk with their hands a lot and use drawings. That’s the most important part, because in the beginning you won’t be able to understand any Spanish or hardly any. But by making it so simple you can basically understand even though you don’t know the words. After a hundred or so hours of this, you can move on to slightly less easy content. And so on and so on until you can understand just regular media in spanish. At that point, your learning will really take off, because you can watch things that you’re actually interested in and that will capture your attention more.
They don’t do any explicit grammar or vocabulary practice. That’s on purpose, the arguments of comprehensible input is that language isn’t learned, it’s acquired. You didn’t learn English by rote memorization, you listened a lot. If you can hear a few words and make the connection to the meaning by watching, and then you hear that word dozens or hundreds of times more - you will have a better understanding of that word than a simple translation flashcard could ever give you. Because words don’t have just one meeting they’re complex and change in different situations. But the best part is through this method you won’t even realize that you’re learning these words. Same goes with grammar, with this method things just kind of sound right. You can use the correct grammar, but you might not necessarily be able to explain why. Just like native speakers.
I’ve personally listened, or watched over a thousand hours of things in Spanish in a bit over a year. And at this point most media is almost as easy to watch as English for me. I also read the full Harry Potter series in Spanish. (It was rough at first, but after I got used to the writing style a lot of the times I’d forget it was in Spanish in the more exciting sections) I need to practice speaking more, I can definitely do it and be understood but it lacks pretty significantly behind my understanding but that is really just a question of how much practice I can get. But once you’ve banked 1k, 1.5k hours the rate at which your speaking will improve is way faster than the process of learning so far.
Check out this this playlist of videos that really explains things in more depth. It has English subtitles you’ll have to turn on. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlpPf-YgbU7GrtxQ9yde-J2tfxJDvReNf
They have a ton of free content, and if you want more you can pay just $8 a month - but honestly if you do a few hours a day after a couple months you’ll be able to just watch some YouTube videos of native speakers and you won’t really need dreaming Spanish anymore. But the site does have a handy hour tracker that you don’t need to pay for at all that I still use to this day.
I’ve tried to learn French, german, and even Spanish before but until this try when I discovered this method, I didn’t really get anywhere. At this point I’m almost comfortable saying that I’m bilingual. And it really doesn’t take that much effort just make it a routine, and once you can get into more advanced and interesting videos just watch things that you’re interested in. When you really get good, you can just watch the TV shows and movies that you already like to watch, but put on the Spanish dub. It’s that easy. I’m not doing anything differently now than I was before I knew Spanish but I’m learning every day because I just do the things I normally did but in spanish!
You can start their Super Beginner (most basic level) here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlpPf-YgbU7GbOHc3siOGQ5KmVSngZucl
But I’d recommend doing it on https://www.dreamingspanish.com/ where it will automatically track your watch time, let you filter by person/accent/level/topic, etc.
The beginning is by far the hardest part. The least interesting videos, the least level of comprehension. It will feel like a chore. Luckily the beginning is where you have the most motivation to push through it.
I left after seeing a lot of useful community suggestions completely ignored for a long time. A few months later they finally closed the community making clear they won't hear anyone. I won't bother trying to get anything from them.
Just calling it out: The nonsense/goofy sentences were used because it was found by studies to be more effective for learning/recall.
That wasn't a flaw, just a poorly/not at all broadcasted feature.
Good luck with that, I'll watch the outcome with great interest.
If you call your employees or customers some wacky, quirky nickname you have already lost.