Based. At least some people aren't surrendering.
this post was submitted on 28 Apr 2025
452 points (97.9% liked)
politics
23206 readers
3095 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
This is not the right answer, yeah sure you will upvote it because fuck musk, but the forced middlemen of dealerships needs to go the fuck away
Agree, but right now we have bigger fish to fry. We are in chemotherapy mode to save democracy, anything that hurts Tesla is good for now. We can debate the pros and cons of the dealership business model if we survive.
Yes, this is. Real example of bad regulations that shouldn't exist.
Wait, I thought Tesla didn’t have “dealerships” and instead has “stores.” Or at least that’s what someone schooled me on here for making the insinuation that the stores were essentially dealerships.
The entire dealership model is stupidly outdated. They add no value, and if they truly did, remove the law mandating it and let the market sort itself out.
Car salespeople at these dealerships are the prime example of leeches.
Yeah, even here in Europe most places that sell cars gave up their dealerships.
It's a shitty business model that makes no sense for the owner.
I'm not sure I understand the idea behind dealership? Isn't like a shop where you can buy different brands?
No. New car dealers are per brand: Honda, Toyota, Ford.. etc.
A dealership (or that's how it works here) is obligated to sell x amount of cars (usually same brand or at least same group). They will just be sent the cars whether they sell them or not. So in a worst case scenario the franchise ends up with shitty cars no one wants and has to dump them on the market for shit prices.
The result is often that cost of maintaining a vehicle at a dealership is through the roof because they don't have a healthy margin on new cars (or even lose money on them).
They also have very idiotic requirements at times to even become a dealer. Although supposedly they have loosened requirements and rules since no one wanted to be a dealership anymore here.
Never should have gotten an exclusion in the first place. It's a shitty rule but he shouldn't have gotten special treatment
The problem is that shitty rule is often (not sure about NY specifically) added after the fact to stop Tesla.
The general rule was always if you ever used a dealership you have to continue using a dealership. (and Tesla never has so shouldn't have to)
Then when Tesla came around the auto ~~makers~~ dealers lobbied to change that to you must use a dealership regardless. In some cases Tesla lobbied/went to court against that and got exemptions, in some cases got it thrown out, and in some cases outright lost.
The rule of having to use one if you already use one makes sense. The dealerships put a lot of money into it and could be rugpulled otherwise.
But changing a law specifically to fuck with Tesla was more than just a shitty rule.
But I don't know if NY is one of these places that changed the rules to fuck them in the first place.
Dealer franchises can suck my balls, but Elon can go fuck himself.
Absolutely disgusted with musk.
However, I also wish we could somehow break the dealer networks as well, original reason I was rooting for the waivers.
Unless you can fix your tesla yourself , you should not buy one..
I’m so sad that Tesla failed so hard. It would have been nice to see the death of third party dealerships.
Imagine being such a dumb power-hungry Nazi you tank your entire EV company, the highest valued auto brand in history, bankrolling the guy/movement who promised to get rid of EVs. Seemingly very little "6D chess" comments about Musk because his actions are that indefensibly stupid.
To be fair, it was incredibly overvalued. Its value was driven by one of the most successful conmen of all time. I just can't figure out if Trump or Musk is the most successful conman of all time. One has the most wealth in the world, one has the most power.
It was overvalued because Elon did a bunch of fraud and about to become a felon, hence why he supported trump to help dismantle the very institutions he was threatened by.
load more comments
(3 replies)
Good, get these fuckin swastikars out of my state.
Fuck you, elon
except that's not what's happening, they're just trying to get them to be sold through dealerships
Agree with fucking the rat up, don’t agree with this method. The shops haven’t done anything to warrant revoking their licenses and rat’s activities are totally unrelated.
I really, really want to cheer this on. But when I step back and look at the whole picture, I can’t justify it. If someone can break it down in a way that makes sense I am SUPER open to changing my mind because again, I want to cheer this on.
If it’s really about letting other ev companies in, then grant them licenses too or take some of Tesla’s when they expire/are up for renewal at least. But to just revoke them as retaliation for musk’s unrelated bullshit doesn’t sit right with me.
Here’s another angle: why don’t they say “after seeing the fraud committed with ev tax credits in Canada we have decided to reassess Tesla licenses to operate in New York.” At least give it real footing.
Dispite my comment below yours, I also disagree with what NY is doing here. I think the most innovating thing Tesla ever did was normalizing direct-selling to customers. It's part of the reason why I (regrettably) defended the company/cars so long even if I knew Musk was a POS for years. Dealerships are horrible for consumers.
This reads like auto dealer lobbyists getting what they want being passed off as "progress".
Yes, this isn't a punshment for Musk as much as a revival of a subsidy for car assholes.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/05/rich-republicans-party-car-dealers-2024-desantis.html
She wants the company to relinquish its five licenses and instead distribute them to other EV manufacturers, such as Rivian, Scout Motors, and Lucid.
…
Fahy said that Musk is “part of an administration that is killing all the grant funding for electric vehicle infrastructure, killing wind energy, killing anything that might address climate change.”
“Why should we give them a monopoly?” she asked regarding Tesla, adding that this bill was her “making amends” with her previous support of the company.
They would transfer the licenses that were granted to them exclusively, not eliminate them.
load more comments
(6 replies)
load more comments
(1 replies)
But to just revoke them as retaliation for musk’s unrelated bullshit doesn’t sit right with me.
It should.
Rules and laws come from our values. If a company isn't moral or ethical, retaliation and consequences are exactly what needs to happen. And we should create new rules and laws to make sure they are forced out.
You do not normalize Nazis.
By publicly stating that this is revenge, they've opened themselves to all different kinds of legal pushback.
load more comments
(2 replies)
“The Trump administration has revoked the right to do business from Fairphone, Costco, etc. due to their spreading of dangerous WOKE ideology.”
Again I want this to happen but the justification as it stands is without precedent and is flimsy as hell
load more comments
(22 replies)
load more comments
(7 replies)
load more comments
(7 replies)
view more: next ›