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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

An AI company not respecting copyright and licensing? I'm shocked.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago

holy shit! the thing I've been warning developers who promote and use this shitty tool has finally happened.

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if you write fossy software, don't use products made by fossy enemies.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

sounds like M$'s real face : Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I would say they are doing the same with Linux, but I'll just wait for it to become obvious.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 hours ago

they're desperate to do it and have their buddies at IBM to help too.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

A company that is known for doing shitty things does shitty things.

Color me fucking surprised.

Honestly, at this point, I have ZERO sympathy for people who are still actively using microsoft products and running into problems.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, they have already done this with other extensions like Python, this is not new behavior.
Honestly the biggest reason to stay away from VS Code

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

What are other free and good ide's though?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago

Closest? VScodium lol

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

Kate, KDevelop, QtCreator are the ones I use.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 22 hours ago

Stallman was right, episode five billion.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Just violate their rules and enable the microsoft extensions on forks

[–] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago

That's just it, these extensions themselves refuse to run if the fork doesn't say it is vs code. You'd have to build it yourself to report compliant information to the extension, or build the extension yourself to not check. Both of which are not trivial.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago

https://open-vsx.org/extension/llvm-vs-code-extensions/vscode-clangd

Maybe not as feature complete but should be a good alternative

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

Not sure about the c/c++ support, but zed has greatly improved and it's looking like a real long term alternative at this point

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Maybe it's just me, but I never got that thing to work right anyway - with VSC. It keeps running amok and using up all the CPU time doing stuff it should not be doing, trying to analyze every single file in my VM every single time it is started.

So... good riddance.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago

Does Theia have C/C++ extensions?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago

They pulled the same thing with their widely used office format: base capabilities are standardised but most useful stuff is proprietary extension.

[–] [email protected] 171 points 2 days ago (12 children)

A few things to point out:

  • Microsoft created this extension and pays money to develop it
  • Despite that, they give it to programmers for free. It is still free of charge.
  • They explicitly said that using it outside of their products is forbidden (according to article: at least 5 years ago), they just didn't enforce it
  • Someone (here: Cursor developers), despite that, used it in their products and started to make money from it

What exactly are you mad at? When will programming community finally understand that Microsoft is not a non-profit company and its primary purpose is to make money?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

I heard Theo talking about this and I think he guessed that they don't want to maintain these against forks is the number of people raising issues that are not related to the extension and more due to the fork.

His video goes into a lot of good detail as to what's likely going on.

What Theo also says is that remember that they don't make any money off of VSCode at all.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Because a .vscode still pollute most open source projects. It"s annoying that they get people hooked on it that could use better tools instead.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

How dare people choose their own software? Don't they know theyre supposed to let you choose it for them?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 hours ago

Neovim plus tmux.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

Don't be upset it took people a long time to realize Visual Studio Code is fauxpen source, just be glad they're finally realizing it. No need to be condescending and make people feel ashamed over it.

[–] [email protected] 128 points 1 day ago (2 children)

https://ghuntley.com/fracture/ Because pretending your editor is open source while moving all the important functionality to proprietary plugins is a bait and switch.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Embrace.

Extend.

~~Extinguish~~. Extract rent now that everyone lives in / depends on your proprietary ecosystem.

I'd say they can't keep getting away with it!, but history shows they clearly can.

Literally monopolist strategy 101.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

This was all people were talking about when they bought GitHub. We've past the "Extend" stage now.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The problem is that they're killing competition. Treating a company with the market dominance of Microsoft like a normal company would be fatal for humanity. Because they are eliminating innovation by Cursor and they do not need to do this to finance their own innovation. Effectively, humanity gets less innovation by Microsoft doing this.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The problem is that they’re killing competition.

So, they pay to develop a product, for themselves, explicitly says "it's only for us, shoo shoo", and when they decide that their product, that they pay for, and provide for free to their user, should not be used by other, it kills the competition that did not do anything except take the product for free despite being told not to?

I'm not on the side of Microsoft for most things. But if doing nothing but taking someone else's free product qualifies to be competition that should be protected, we're having problems.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

You're looking at it in isolation, I'm looking at it in terms of this being Microsoft, a company which has held humanity back for most of its existence, now retracting something where they did a decent thing for once.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's also blocked in VSCodium whose developers are not making money off it.

So that's not a nice thing.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago

At least VSCodium cares about software licenses, (see it works both ways)

That Cursor (an AI focused) fork doesn’t shouldn’t be very shocking.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe we need a new movement (or revisit past ideas from the 70s) that focuses on ensuring the openness regarding freedoms of computing (😉) that combat proprietary SaaS offerings? idk.

This is why OSS as an org needs a change IMO. Licenses like SSPLv1, where software can be supplied for free with options that allow a company to make money without risk of a cloud vendor snapping up their software (think Redis, MongoDB, etc) need a place at the table.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Licenses like SSPLv1

The SSPL requires that all software used to deploy SSPL software is open sourced. If I deploy my software on Windows, do I have to provide the source code for Windows? What about the proprietary hardware drivers, or Intel Management Engine?

The SSPL is not the next generation of licenses, it is effectively unusable. And both Redis and Mongo, dual licensed their software as the SSPL, and a proprietary license — effectively making their entire software proprietary.

make money without risk of a cloud vendor snapping up their software (think Redis, MongoDB, etc) need a place at the table.

Except Redis, and Mongo were making money. They had well valued, well earning SAAS offerings — it's just that the offerings integrated into existing cloud vendors would be more popular (because vendor lock in). They just wanted more money, and were hoping that by going proprietary, they could force customers away from the cloud offers to themselves, and massively increase their revenue.. They did not get that.

Another thing is that it's not "stealing" Mongo/Redis' when cloud vendors offer SAAS's of Mongo/Redis. Mongo/Redis, and their SAAS offerings, are only possible because the same cloud vendors put more money than Mongo/Redis make yearly into Linux and other software that powers the SAAS offerings of Mongo/Redis, like Kubernetes. Without that software, Mongo/Redis wouldn't have a SAAS offering at all.

I definitely think that it's bad when a piece of software doesn't get any funding it needs to develop, especially when it powers much more modern software, like XZ. But Mongo/Redis weren't suffering from a lack of funding at all. They're just mad they had to share their toys, and tried to take them away. But it didn't even matter in the end.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Good opportunity for Jetbrains to jump in. Maybe if they MIT licensed their community-edition tools.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

i've been on the zed wagon for months

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Jetbrains have gone the opposite direction unfortunately. The latest version of PyCharm came with the announcement that PyCharm Community is being discontinued. Instead, they will provide just one PyCharm (the closed source one) formerly PyCharm Professional, that can operated in a Basic (Free) mode, or a Pro (Licenced) mode. Also, some features that were free in Community edition will be moved to the Pro mode in the new PyCharm.

It doesn't affect me personally because my workplace pays for a pro subscription for me, but I used PyCharm Community for 4 years during uni and I'm sad it's going.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

Wow, that's so sad. I loved Pycharm.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

Not sure if you read this blog post: https://blog.jetbrains.com/pycharm/2025/04/unified-pycharm/

Rest assured – our commitment to open-source development remains as strong as ever. The Community Edition codebase will stay public on GitHub, and we’ll continue to maintain and update it. We’ll also provide an easy way to build PyCharm from source via GitHub Actions.

PyCharm is - like all JetBrains IDEs - based on intellij-community and the "Pro" stuff just some fancy pre-installed plugin that requires a license.

Alternatively, you may choose to manually switch to the new PyCharm immediately and keep using everything you have now for free, plus the support for Jupyter notebooks.

So all community functionallities will also be available in the unified edition for free.

Also the Pro license - which you can also get 4 free in like 10 different ways - pricing is extremely fair: A license costs $100-60 for an individual, which is cheaper than most streaming subscriptions...

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