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[–] [email protected] 251 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 week ago

This is a coup

[–] [email protected] 233 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (38 children)

ICE walked into that courthouse without a judicial warrant - no judge authorized the attempted arrest of the defendant, who I might add voluntarily appeared for his court hearing.

This is the real threat, folks. This is one of many vicious cycles they want to start. Arrest immigrants at their own hearings, when they are already complying with the will of the state. Convince others not to show up to court, make them fear any and all interactions with the state, then accuse them of being fugitives and label all of them criminals by default.

An administrative warrant doesn't mean shit to a judge. She had every right to tell them to go talk to her boss, and in the meantime? She opened the back door.

That's it. That's the crime worthy of arresting a judge. A middle aged Milwaukee woman doing her goddamn job.

She opened a door and let the defendants - who had entered her courtroom legally and voluntarily - depart safely.

These are thugs, these are kidnappers, these are criminals. Obstructing ICE is NOT obstructing justice, because ICE is the one breaking laws and stripping away the rights of every American. They act without legal authority, they act without judicial approval, and they act without any regard for freedom, or rights, or basic human dignity.

It is the goddamn right and responsibility of every American to obstruct ICE at every opportunity, because there is no justice when Judges are forced to bow to them.

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[–] [email protected] 198 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

And thus, the Night of Long Knives begins.*

Edit: The AP, as of 15 min ago has posted an update: "Dugan was taken into custody by the FBI on Friday morning on the courthouse grounds, according to U.S. Marshals Service spokesperson Brady McCarron. She appeared briefly in federal court in Milwaukee later Friday before being released from custody. Her next court appearance is May 15."

Thank goodness, she has been released- even if she is still going on trial for a trumped-up charge.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

accusation is:

“intentionally misdirected federal agents away” from Eduardo Flores Ruiz as agents were attempting to arrest him at her courthouse last week.

so this isn’t about her ruling against trump, but her directly protecting an individual from ice….

so it’s not the long knives yet, she a hero, but it’s not the mass revenge murders… yet

[–] [email protected] 83 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's just the official language. They may not kill her, but they are going to remove anyone that gets in their way is what this says to me.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They're going to use her as an example for the justification to arrest other judges as well. This is unprecedented and is going to lead to open violence in the streets.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It doesn't have to match. It just has to rhyme.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

i get it, we’re just not there yet and there’s still time to buy guns before it happens.

a judge can’t lie to federal agents who are trying to arrest someone in their courtroom. It sounds like she did.

this should be encouraging, if anything… this judge put herself on the chopping block in order to defy an immoral but legal order… she’s also probably well versed in the law.

this is the kind of resistance we need! a great ally, and a heroic act…

a martyr.

when they start arresting judges who make rulings they don’t like, that’s the night of long knives rhyming

we should worry about getting this judge elected into political office or something….

and also practice target shooting…

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (11 children)

If it's true. These could be manufactured charges. I don't trust Patel or the Trump administration to be honest about that.

Patel in his tweet wrote that the FBI believes Dugan “intentionally misdirected federal agents away” from Ruiz as agents were attempting to arrest him at her courthouse.

“Thankfully our agents chased down the perp on foot and he’s been in custody since, but the Judge’s obstruction created increased danger to the public,” Patel said in the post.

And they all clapped at the end.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago

so this isn’t about her ruling against trump, but her directly protecting an individual from ice….

Actually it's very indirect. The accusation implies that she told ICE agents "he's over there!" and scattered like a cartoon distraction. In reality, she told them they had no jurisdiction in the court, and that they had to go talk to her boss.

That's not misdirection, that's just normal workplace behavior. They don't have jurisdiction in the courtroom, therefore they were not pursuing justice in the courtroom, therefore it can't be obstruction of justice to tell them to fuck off.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

She asked the ICE agents to wait for the end of the hearing to arrest him.

So they arrested her.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (8 children)

The problem with the MAGA/Nazi comparison is not that MAGA isn't as evil, it's that they're less competent.

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[–] [email protected] 160 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Please remember: the ICE “arrests” are KIDNAPPINGS BY NON-UNIFORMED CIVILIANS. UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE.

If you see a gang of 4 dudes with beards and guns and jeans and polo shirts … treat it like the kidnapping it is.

[–] [email protected] 96 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Senators, governors, and mayors of "sanctuaries" are going to be close behind.

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't see any mention of a warrant.

Not that I'm surprised by that, but to say this is an "escalation" is an understatement.

This is a declaration of absolute power.

Edit: she was released on bond. Meaning a magistrate validated a warrant. Who signed the warrant?

Editl 2: Magistrate Dries did, yesterday. FBI Agent Lindsay Schloemer filed the complaint. Interestinginly Dugar wasn't the only judge who told the ICE officers to fuck off (in legal terms). She just told them then defendant and his attorney they could leave because ICE didn't have the correct warrant.

[–] [email protected] 90 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

This is how civil war starts. If the judiciary starts issuing arrest warrants over this unlawful kidnapping, they may need to deputize officers that are not under the control of the trump admin which could pit our armed forces against each other. Best case scenario is the judiciary finds the arrest unlawful and the FBI backs down because they're being threatened with contempt.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I fear the majority of trigger-pullers are pro-trump and pro-deportation, no matter where they live. I fear that "revolution" will entail the United States' progressives getting absolutely brutalized until the regime seizes total control.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 weeks ago

Valhalla before El Salvador.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

you might be surprised. there are those who are very open about owning weapons, but there are just as many who do not flaunt what they're equipped with. there are still lots of reasons left-leaning people might own guns, like hunting, self defense, pure hobby shooting, etc. i think progressive people have been stereotyped as anti-gun because they tend to be anti-kids-getting-shot-in-school, but they're not quite the same thing.

it's possible progressive might be out-gunned, but it's by no means a guarantee.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

Liberal gun owner here, yup.

Wife wanted to get me a tactical looking cross body bag but I was like, "nah, I need something Italian, leather, and looks like I keep my lip balm in it instead of my gun".

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 week ago

America, this is your five alarm fire. If everything else wasn't enough to get you moving, dear God please let this be it.

Get out and protest. Get talking to the other people at those protests. Build your network. You're going to need it for what is coming.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So they have arrested two judges. ICE and FBI are traitors.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Hey guys, it’s a really good sign when judges are getting arrested, right? Very normal and functioning country? 😬

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 week ago (1 children)

First they came for the immigrants, But I said nothing, Because I'm not a filthy immigrant.

Then they came for the protestors, But I said nothing, Because protesters are libtards.

Then they came for the judges and politicians, But I said nothing, Because they are all corrupt and evil.

Then they came for the minorities, But I said nothing, Because they deserve it!

And then they came for me, Because I was a gullible tool.

  • A future MAGAT survivor.
[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They would never admit it. They would say "and then they came for me, and I have no idea why"

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I said this before…when the fuck do we rise up? Or are we going to sit in the pot and boil?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I blame the "fuck you got mine" mentality that's become ingrained in Americans. A revolution requires selflessness but Americans aren't equipped for that.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (16 children)

I think you guys are going to sit and boil.

If you ask me, things should have started burning a few months ago.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 week ago

Trump’s Night of the long knives coming next

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is a clear authoritarian signal and power grab, but trying to think practically since I'm getting exhausted with my own powerless exasperation with nothing to show for it:

To get an arrest warrant, you typically would need a judge to sign off on it. So either (a) another judge signed the warrant to arrest this judge, or (b) they falsely arrested the judge without a proper warrant.

I think (b) is possible with how slipshod Trump officials are, but more likely they followed the letter if not the spirit of the law, so (a). That suggests that there may be a pocket judge signing spurious warrants for Patel. This also makes more sense, since they likely need cover when assisting ICE, so they'd want someone in that role.

So in a healthy system, first would be Congress forcibly removing Patel. Probably every GOP congressperson's response here will be "I haven't heard about that, now I'll walk away down this hall casual-like because frankly nobody is going to hold me accountable." The other less direct approach would be to identify this judge then there may be a removal process. What other things can be done here short of revolution?

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh thank God! I through the news was quiet today! So now we're arresting judges. Checks and balances go out the window. Now its just a clear dictatorship.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I really wish independent journalism existed so you could find out basic facts like "how often does the FBI normally arrest judges?" "Has a judge ever been arrested for obstruction of justice?" "Do they never get arrested inside a courthouse?"

I'm sure Judges sometimes commit crimes, just like everyone else. Are they normally given special deference and not arrested? Do they only get arrested for serious charges, and normally they get special dispensation because of their judge status?

Arresting judges does sound alarming, but without context it's impossible to know just how norm-breaking it is.

For example, if a judge is pulled over and found to be driving drunk, I most definitely would want that judge arrested and charged. Not arresting and charging a judge in that situation sounds like institutional corruption. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens, but I don't know because these journalists aren't doing their damn jobs.

Don't get me wrong, in this case I'm pretty convinced that the Trump people are overstepping their bounds. It seems like a pattern of attacking the judiciary. And, this isn't the judges being arrested for driving drunk or accepting bribes. This is judges being arrested for things related to immigration. Immigration, in particular, is something that the Trump administration is doing completely unlawfully.

But, how can we have any kind of informed dialogue when the standard of reporting is: "One side said 'It's outrageous they arrested a judge', the other side said 'the administration won't accept judges breaking the law.' The judge may have been a democrat."

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

Hannah Dugan is a hero and a patriot

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Increased danger to the public?

If dude was already out and about and minding his business, dude continuing to be out and about keeps the amount of danger just about the same.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

He was also not out and about and minding his business, he was already in the courthouse in front of the judge. There was no danger to the public because he was at the courthouse. If anything, ICE created the danger by chasing him out of the courthouse and escalating the situation.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago

More info on the circumstances: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/23/ice-arrested-mexican-immigrant-after-hearing-before-judge-dugan/83233154007/

Last week's arrest marked at least the third time in recent months that federal immigration agents have come to the courthouse with arrest warrants. In March and early April, two people were arrested by ICE officials in the hallways of the courthouse.

Following the earlier arrests at the courthouse, county officials and stakeholders expressed concerns about the impact ICE's presence has on immigrants' accessing the justice system and other services at the courthouse.

"The last thing we want is to interfere with the legal process or sow doubt in those summoned to the courthouse about whether or not they will receive fair, impartial justice," Milwaukee County Executive David Crowley said at the time.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago

I know trumpers won’t ever hear about this or if they do it will be a completely twisted story and they’ll think the judge shot at the ice agents or something but the amount of mental effort it has to take to not see this as a tinpot dictator move is unbelievable. It’s hard to believe people this dumb walk among us and go to work and everything

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