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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I once met a guy who was in sales for a shipping container company. He said it was the easiest, most lucrative sales job in the world. There really wasn't any sales at all, he just processed the orders that flowed in all day long. He got a fat commission on each one, and earned several commissions every single day. He was making BANK. He said it was nearly impossible to get a job doing that, it would require somebody to die to get their position.

I guess he's going to have a bad year, for a change.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Just think of all the fat bonuses he can get though once this craziness is done if he still has the job. The backlog will be huuuuuge.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago

You're acting like this is a pause and things will go back to normal.

I think that's unrealistically optimistic

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Pretty unrealistically upbeat of you to think our shipping infrastructure will survive this fucking child king

[–] [email protected] 141 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I read something that some people experienced the collapse of the Roman Empire as their local bridge going out and no one ever coming to fix it.

I think a lot of Americans are going to experience the collapse of the American empire as their favorite treats never getting to the store shelves.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago

My town’s bridge is in need of repair, which was to start this year but is now delayed because federal funding for it was cut. We’ll see…

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Favorite treats? Who the fuck can afford treats in this economy...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

That's a really interesting bit of history.

Does anyone have a source?

[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Don't American bridges fall down already? I guess the wait won't be too long.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Your thinking of London bridges. 🥁 (I'll see myself out).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

Thankfully infrastructure week is just around the corner!...

Or they'll just argue those failing bridges are okay because aren't used that much

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 days ago (27 children)

I think it's highly optimistic to expect that, if anything it's going to be more like the collapse of the Soviet empire, with weird successor state nonsense, some civil war, guns and violent crime everywhere, and those already in power going on a free for all kill each other and loot everything spree.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

It's going to be a Rwandan style civil war. Your MAGA neighbor will kick in your door and shoot you and your wife in the face when told to do so by Fox.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This could be the best thing the current administration did for the planet. No more shipping boats. It's going to be really interesting in the next two months.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Isn't shipping via boat one of the most energy efficient forms of goods transport we have as a species?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Efficiency doesn't matter if you're shipping material for production halfway round the world and shipping those products halfway back just because rich people wanted to outsource to cheap labour, and overproduce cheap crap that falls apart way too fast so they can sell us the same cheap crap again a couple years later. It's mostly waste. Some shipping is necessary, but I'd say a vast majority we could do without.

Like I don't believe for a second that these tarrifs will actually fix this problem because they're just a big tantrum with zero strategy involved, but in an ideal world we would make a lot more locally and spend a lot less energy sending things all over the planet to make a handful of shareholders slightly higher margins.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I went looking and found this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_efficiency_in_transport

And yep transport via boat is the most energy efficient.

That said I'm going to assume that OP in this thread is not talking about logistics efficiency, but rather a downturn in a demand for goods.

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Spoken like a rich asshole that doesn't have to worry about 300% inflation on food

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

I'm just a poor smart person. As I understand, and probably all of us should....this is the time to go to the stores and buy up shit. Toilet paper, plastic bags and straws, Christmas toys and everything else that usually says made in China. From what I understand we had around 60 days a few weeks ago for the real shit show to begin. So I would expect stuff to get real interesting soon. That's all. It's a worst possible scenario...shit runs out and all heck breaks lose. I sincerely don't know what to do. Should I just buy a good half a year worth of canned food? Should I do nothing? In don't know. Its a cautious wait and see sort of feeling.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Now China won't be able to destroy the US with their uh... affordable consumer goods! That'll show 'em!

[–] [email protected] 81 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Trump definitely did not intent to do that - but this is a good thing for the environment. If we end up in a global shrinkflation, this might berge worst way to reduce our carbon footprint, but it will probably be the long term consequence.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Kind of like when COVID cleared up the air for weeks. Of course that was also awful for the economy, but it's almost like our normal way of overconsumption is killing the environment...

[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Hurray for Trump's idiocy!

Seriously though. I'll sacrifice this capitalistic nonsense to save a habitable environment.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 days ago

Yeah, I live in Korea and usually this time of year the air quality is absolutely shit. However, due to the trade war, some factories in eastern China have closed and this apparently led to the great aqi forecast the past week or so.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh look, trump did something good! accidentally good, I'm sure he didn't intended that, but still

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

naive child

Wait till you see your food bill next month

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

I'm not an American, I'll be fine

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Is it me, or does this look absolutely scary for world trade as a whole?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

There's still a lot going on globally:

https://www.marinetraffic.com/

But I don't expect the US to have a fun ride

This economist says there’s a 90% chance of a recession. Here’s the math.

During the 2018 trade war with China, the U.S. average tariff rate increased from 2% to 3%. Studies show that the impact on gross domestic product was between 0.25% and 0.7%.

Using the low end of the estimated impact, and Trump’s plan that at the moment calls for double-digit tariff rates, Slok says the negative impact on GDP in 2025 could be almost 4 percentage points — and that doesn’t even include the negative impact from uncertainty for consumer spending decisions and business planning.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-economist-says-theres-a-90-chance-of-a-recession-unless-tariff-policies-are-changed-e43c40d1?mod=home_lead

So a 4% hit to GDP when GDP last year in the US increase by 2.8% does not sound good

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

We don't need a map of green and red dots, we need ships dammit!

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

A nearly 50% drop in booked global TEUs?

TEU means Twenty Foot Equivalent Units, your basic standard shipping container.

Yes, yes, this is astoundingly, apocalyptically bad.

America will be more fucked than others, but this is Great Depression 2.0.

If this persists, and you end up with a the rest of the year of roughly half the TEU... well you'd go from about 900m TEU to about 550m TEU.

The last time global sea trade clocked in at about 550m TEU was 2010.

https://transportgeography.org/contents/chapter5/intermodal-transportation-containerization/world-container-throughput/

So... yeah, just wipe out the last 15 years worth of volume of world trade, and economic activity/growth enabled by that, and oh also you have about 1 billion more mouths to feed than in 2010.

Or... if you look at it in terms of % change.... its hard to find detailed, historical, week by week figures without paying for the data, but the entirety of the GFC hitting the global economy in 2009 resulted in an 8.5% decrease in global TEU from 2008.

So... it remains to be seen how long and strong the current downturn in TEU will persist...

But, if you say 2025 TEU drops by 30% in aggregate for the rest of this year... that is a 2025 that has a -22.5% 'growth' in total world trade volume, almost 3x as bad as the 07 08 09 GFC, the impact of which was seen in the -8.5% of 2009.

These are spitball guess numbers, I can't predict the future... but I do have a degree in Econ and I used to work as an executive level data analyst for a large mulinational, US based import export firm... so its moderately informed spitball guess.

This is Great Depression 2.0, this will make the GFC look like childs play. This is tens or hundreds of millions of people (globally) going broke, becoming homeless, starving to death levels of bad.

The only way to prevent that at this point is ... well basically step one is America needs to impeach and imprison every Trump administration member... but that is uh... not guaranteed, to say the least.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

Yeah, one problem here is that global container circulation needs to, well, circulate. People don't ship empty containers, that's stupid expensive. So container hire is going to get way more expensive as global shipping needs to rebalance. Happened under covid, too.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago

Note, that data is from April 8th, which is before the 90 day tariff pause was announced.

From what my friends working in retail have told me, the trend is (temporarily) reversed. Every freight container going to the US is getting booked solid at inflated rates as brands try to bring in merchandise from non-Chinese factories into the US in case the tariffs resume.

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