A community to organize and discuss the growth of the fediverse as a whole
On Reddit you see tons of people giving up due to signup issues, usually due to emails I think. Instance admins should really double check their process and make sure it's all working often.
And the app devs too, if you can signup through the app gotta make sure it works on instances with captchas/email verification/etc
Frankly? Good.
I hate to be the asshole, but if someone is either that stupid, or that unwilling to put in even the most basic effort, I don't want them here.
My mom signed herself up for lemmy. In her early seventies, kinda ignorant of tech stuff, and did it all on her lonesome. So did my 12 year old niece. So did my cousin with Downs.
Yeah, a kid with downs syndrome could manage to sign up for lemmy. Didn't need any help beyond "hey, hairball, which lemmy?". That's it. Just wanted to know what instance he should pick.
But he sure as fuck got logged in just fine.
So, when I see these people on reddit that can't be bothered to do what you would do on any website that you have trouble logging into, I'm perfectly fine with them not being here. They aren't going to be bringing anything useful with them at all.
My bigest hurdle was choosing instance. I get paralyzed by not obvious choices.
I had the same problem. I just went with .world as the "default" and then spent some time learning about the different instances and moved to dbzero.
In all of it, I never had any problems.
What a juvenile and elitist attitude. It's a fucking link aggregator, not a litmus test for someone's intelligence or value. Grow the fuck up.
I'm not sure, I've met some lovely people whose technical incompetence is nothing short of incredible. And if you try signing up for an instance you've been recommended and the sign-up process is broken, I understand that it can be disheartening.
Sure, Reddit is full of bad actors who just want to discredit alternatives, and clearly these people are not trying hard and they probably don't completely understand what Lemmy is, but I think it's still worth listening to their concerns.
At this point I'm willing to believe your mother and cousin with downs are both more likely to figure things out than the average 20-something, for the simple reason that they are not used to everything being so goddamn easy and not offering the slightest resistance. When you see the discourse on Reddit, a lot of people seem to be unaware of the difference between platforms and apps. Which shouldn't be a problem, if they can contribute to a meaningful discussion about whatever they do have an interest in.
Agreed
I have many people in my disability support groups I recommended lemmy too and they were unable to use it.
(Our disability comes with severe cognitive problems and reduced energy, and trying to sign up was too much)
Well, ngl, my disability/chronic pain support group doesn't run high to cognitive troubles. There's some, but it isn't a majority.
That being said, the only questions I've had are where about which version of a community to use. Like how there's a handful of C/s for a topic, which ones are worth using. Even the MS folks with significant brain fog haven't expressed any issues getting started.
But it may be a thing where some cognitive issues are more likely to have trouble with the signup process than others, I dunno.
Our disease has quite a bit less functioning than MS as measured on bell spectrum.
And one of the main symptoms are cognitive processing issues. It’s to the point where some more severe folk can struggle putting sentences together.
Would you believe I just now noticed your user name?
Makes total sense now. I've known a few people dealing with it, and yeah, it would definitely be an impediment to run into delays and hassles signing up for anything. Hell, breathing can be a barrier with ME/CFS.
Wow, rare to run into someone ME aware in the wild. Thanks for understanding ❤️
I just wish everyone could understand. It's one of those "invisible" disabilities that catches a lot of flak.
that unwilling to put in even the most basic effort, I don’t want them here.
That's the sort of gatekeeping that keeps a service as a tiny niche forever.
I would think that my comment makes it obvious, but I'm okay with that. Lemmy is working fine. Piefed and mbin interact with it seamlessly in most cases. Mastodon links up okay.
Niche is working. Not everything has to be market dominating
Niche is working. Not everything has to be market dominating
I'm sorry but this is one of the more terrible takes I've seen people barf out on lemmy an the fediverse as a whole, the idea that "gRoWTh iSN't iMPoRtaNt bECaUse LEmmY isN't a cOMpAnY". The fact is this is a stupid argument because being niche hurts a social media platform's ability to be a social media, it hinders the amount of interaction you can get, and it stifles more niche communities to the point they can't even get off the ground at all.
This whole thing about growth not being important is one of those Fediverse talking points that needs to be shot dead right here, right now.
Gatekeeping platforms and trying to keep out the "laugh and upvote" crowd is not helping anyone, it's hurting this platform, because people not getting interaction on their posts, or their communities being dead in the water because not enough if any people here are interested really kills motivation, and is likely part of the reason we saw a dip in Lemmy activity after the initial Reddit API exodus. Why do you want to gatekeep these people so much anyway? Most of them are only going to laugh, upvote, and consume content here, chances are you won't directly see most of them. Yet they are one of the more important parts of a social media platform since they give it life and energy and activity, that just wouldn't be anywhere near the same without them.
It's fine for memes, news, and politics...but it's still pretty lacking in a lot of the smaller and more unique content that made reddit worth visiting regularly.
As much as you're okay with it, there's plenty of people who would like to see federated services grow enough to be established mainstream alternatives. How much complaining has there been that Bluesky took off as as the trendy twitter alternative instead of Mastadon?
I don't understand the downvotes you got. The same people will complain when a profit driven reddit alternative springs up to take the mainstream while Lemmy remains niche because they wanted a kind of exclusive club. Being unfriendly to the user is a recipe for failure.
On the flip side, the biggest forum on the internet being shared, distributed and owned by its' users would be an incredible win.
I appreciate you.
Eternal September is the goal?
It's curious how so many people on this community about discussing the growth of the fediverse view the fediverse growing as a negative.
Were you even alive when Eternal September happened?
I was born before the Reagan administration
That doesn't prove anything. You could have been 12 in 1993 if your we're born during the Carter administration leaving you in the same cohort those bitchless knobs were whinging about back then.
You asked if I was alive. Yes, I was.
Was I on Usenet? Nope, but my family were very early adopters of computer and internet technology 🤷🏻♀️
The fact that this trash comment got 60 up votes IS the main issue.
A large group of Lemmy actively wants to stay a elitist circle jerk...
TIL that expecting a tiny slither of effort from participants is "elitist"
The instance admin is literally in this thread acknowledging that their mail server is having issues. Doesn't matter how much effort the users put in if the verification email never goes through.
Seeing that someone is having trouble signing up, and jumping to the conclusion that it's the user's fault, might not even be elitist, just dumb.
This was more celebrating that a problematic email server was preventing new users from signing up.
Assuming it's because the user is stupid or lazy, that's the elitist part.
I tried to make a sh.itjust.works account earlier today as a backup, when I verified the email I couldn't login, it told me my details were incorrect, the details I'd just saved in my browser from the account creation process. Shit does not just work.
I mean I'll get around to making another account on another instance, but sh.itjust.works has account creation issues. The people acting elitist about it are fucken gronks because they haven't actually experienced the issue.
sh.itjust.works
Give that link a try again otherwise as @[email protected] mentioned send us a PM with your account and we'll manually verify it.
Thanks
Database query says it's already verified
Hey there,
Sorry you've had issues.
If you can PM me your email I can take care of it.
I'm also on Matrix, which might be ideal as lemmy PMs aren't exactly secure (they can be read by your local admin as well as the remote admin, so mihht not bmuch of a problem in this case, but still)
Can you check by user name? Same u/n, your instance.
Your email was already verfied in the database, but if you follow that link again lemmy just tells you it failed instead of telling you it's already verified.
You should be able to just login.
If not let me know.
Worst case it might need a password reset.
We did test new signups again this morning and it worked.
I went through the pw reset process, set a new pw and it let me login. Thx
Dunno about the person I was replying to, but I was assuming they were lazy. And potentially stupid, but mostly the laziness was the critique.
"Oh no, I clicked the button and it didn't do what I thought it would. Oh well, I give up! My time is too precious to try any sort of critical thinking. I'll just post on reddit instead. Updoots to the left, thanks for the gold kind stranger. Dopamine boost achieved."
Idk, I'm on lemm.ee because I tried sh.itjust.works and just never got an email. It is frustrating when it happens
I accidentally did one for ml and world's and never got a response, realized those are authotarian sites
Really dodged a bullet with ml
Good. Let the stupids hit the darwinian great filter of "figure out how to make an account with more than 2 brain cells" and never make it here. Will hopefully mitigate yet another eternal September.