Serious answers only. For over a year I was told that trump "doesn't have anything to do with that".

I honestly need to know from an actual Republican who believed trumps words and is now witnessing p2025 almost hit 50% completion with the department of education getting dismantled.

And with that; how do these people feel that public schools, daycare centers and tech schools all going to cost 3-6x as much as it does now for tuition?

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[–] 250 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Most are fine with it. Remember the people that died of covid denying it existed the whole time? That's the type. They're dumb af.

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  • [–] 90 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    People who have never experienced oppression just thinking it’s business as usual.

    Wearing a mask ain’t oppression either 😂

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    [–] 179 points 2 years ago (34 children)

    You're very unlikely to get a response from a Republican on Lemmy

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  • [–] 76 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    I don't need dumbass opinions in any chamber I'm occupying, Republicans can stay gone for all I care

    I like to fuck with em when I can. Keep the space hostile to them, it worked for punk bars it works for us.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It would be one thing if we were debating different ways to solve health care, education, incarceration, mental health, homelessness, wealth inequality, or something else.

    While I personally think the right is wrong in their solutions I’d be happy to debate them.

    But the right isn’t talking about these issues or solutions for them. You can’t have a debate when you’re talking about two completely different things.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Not just different things, but whether those things even exist

    Like, I'm all about debating the best approaches to fighting climate change. I'm not about debating whether it exists.

    You can't debate solutions when you disagree about what the problem is

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    As much as I can understand your point, it's a truth that if you can argue against your beliefs, you have a full understanding of both sides. You should be well versed in order to provide a solid understanding. Just as one side wants the other to hear reason, there has to be a common ground somewhere.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    That's fantastic advice. Every now and then you gotta check yourself. Those MAGA folks don't know they're brainwashed, and honestly, neither would any of us. Nobody is too smart for propaganda!

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Those MAGA folks don't know they're brainwashed, and honestly, neither would any of us.

    I challenge this line of reasoning. All that is required is asking the question "is that true?", then attempting to answer that question. There are very few modern conservative talking points that cannot be riddled with holes via 10 min of googling. I understand that people of western society have had our attention robbed of us, but all that is required is a desire to know the truth. They don't. They want to have an interesting story that triggers their emotions. I will not abide apologies for anyone still supporting the MAGA agenda.

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    It's crazy. How many Democrats do you know that had Joe Biden profile pictures? I know people can't tell their in a cult usually. But man they make it obvious most of the time.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I got into an argument with my dad a couple days ago about this exact thing.

    I was bitching that despite being given unlimited power, Biden just fucked off and let the carion eaters have their way with the corpse of America. His response? "It's all Biden's fault." He's being sarcastic and thinks he's making fun of maga, but he's right. This shit is Biden's fault. And Garland's, and all the other bitches in Blue. He actually thinks I'm defending fucking TRUMP when i point out Dems fuckups. He goes on and on about how politics isn't a team sport, but then he engages in fucking tribalism, just like the magats.

    It's infuriating.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    He actually thinks I’m defending fucking TRUMP when i point out Dems fuckups.

    Herein lies the biggest problem. We've taken up sides along the single line drawn for us, and are therefore blinded to the fact that this is a class war. You can say "it's not red versus blue", and get nods of agreement, and then in the next sentence, they'll say shit like this, showing they don't really get it.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago*

    yea it seems they are into this idea that manufacturing will come back in the united states. nevermind that the equity growth and low prices of goods these guys are enjoying are due to the united states not manufacturing things, getting things through trade while exporting intellectual property instead. nothing they are doing is going to bring down home prices. it's objectively a misunderstanding of economics.

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  • [–] 127 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    Just for some perspective: in 2009 I was a Christian nationalist and I thought Obama was going to use FEMA to imprison conservative dissenters and would turn the US into a communist dictatorship. I hoped and prayed for an explicitly Christian government and an end to most federal programs. If I had the same worldview now, I would be orgasmically happy with the way things are going.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    I'd also be interested in hearing about how you changed your views.

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    [–] 64 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    At this point, I don't know why Republicans don't outright just say they want people who they see as less than them suffering and/or dead. That's their only consistent political view.

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    [–] 50 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    I know a couple life-long Republicans I sometimes briefly talk about politics with (one family, one acquaintance). Neither of them like Trump, but like the idea around Project 2025. One is an evangelical Christian, the other is a Catholic.

    The Catholic strongly believes government should be run like a business, and the president should be like a CEO, so he should be able to fire everyone and replace them, if needed, with workers that will execute his plans. He's also an anti-abortion, and tough-on-crime/immigration type. However, he strongly disapproves of Trump seemingly being pro-Russian now, Trump and his cabinet's personal lives (he's always strangely fixated on people's personal lives, in a moral sense, for some reason), the take-over of the FBI and CIA, and the tariffs hurting his stock portfolio.

    The evangelical Christian just doesn't like Trump as a person, and doesn't like Russia. He's a just-world-hypothesis, small government, women are subservient, pro-business type; but also low/lower-middle-class, and has needed, and will need the social services he opposes. I guess his opinions are pretty similar to the Catholic's, just a little more extreme on the social side, and supports policies that have always hurt him. I mean, Republican policies hurt the (fairly wealthy) Catholic too, but at least they get to say their taxes are lower and there's less red-tape.

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    Trump knows that his supporters are going to turn on him eventually, which is why he’s working so hard to set up an infrastructure that can crush opposition without due process. He’s also testing the waters about ignoring court orders.

    If the supreme court lets him use the AEA then that means the president can use war-time statutes without Congress needing to declare a war, which means that he’ll be able to use a different statute to deploy the military on US territory. At that point, US democracy is officially over.

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    [–] 39 points 2 years ago

    Republicans lie. As any fascist party, they don't have any consistent ideology beyond hurting people. They'll invent whatever reasoning and justification they need to justify their bullying, and they'll immediately abandon that reason for another convenient excuse when necessary.

    Republicans lie. They knew damn well what Project 2025 was, and they were in favor of all of it. When they said Trump had nothing to do with it, they were lying. Republicans ultimately don't care what happens to society, or even themselves personally. They would gladly vote to lower the quality of their own lives, as long as the undesirables were hurt in equal measure.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago

    Oh no, the lying liar who is best known for lying about literally everything lied and gullible people believed it (or conveniently ignored it, or didn't care or thought it was just peachy because they thought it wouldn't apply to them and were perfectly fine with it applying to other people)? Who could possibly have predicted that? Oh wait, I think literally every left wing person in the US predicted that.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Project 2025 is the most double talky I've ever seen Donald Trump. "Project 2025? Nope, never seen it, never heard of anything in it, but it's got some great ideas. I'm not going to follow it and I don't have anything to do with it but I hear it has some really good ideas, but I won't be adhering to them."

    Reminds me of the "Unite The Right" rally where he wouldn't really condemn anyone: "Those folks are really nasty, but also there's a lot of good folks."

    I think this is part of his "charm". He double talks, so if you are a fan you perk up on the positives and let your eyes glass over during the bad parts.

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    [–] 29 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    I don't know any republicans personally but I would not be surprised if, given a choice between admitting fault and feeling bad, or literally any other option including lying or violence, they won't admit fault. If they weren't emotionally stunted, they wouldn't be conservatives.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    This is why blaming conservatives or getting them to admit fault doesn't work. It only makes them become more defensive and entrenched.

    A better approach is to appeal to their victim complex. IE: Instead of "Trump is ruining this country and its your fault for voting for him!" try "Dude, Trump is screwing us! This isn't the great America we were promised!" or some variation of that. Gotta use different tactics.

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    [–] 25 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    They don't think Trump and Musk are doing anything wrong. When quizzed they'll ask you to name anything they've done wrong.

    Everything Trump and Musk are doing is guised in Libertarian and Conservative values.So nothing wrong has been done on their eyes.

    If you go places like r/JordanPeterson (to ask) and r/Conservative to observe the media landscape - you'll see that "The Woke" are wrong and have turned violent against Tesla. You'll see Trump and Musk are thought of as doing great things.

    That's how they think. They're not in the same media landscape as everyone else is.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That’s how they think. They’re not in the same media landscape as everyone else is.

    This is literally the cause of all our issues. Fucking propagandists creating an alternate "reality" for Magoos to exist within where they are the good guys fighting the evil evil communist far left scum.

    I can blame a Magoo for being so susceptible to hate filled ppropaganda, but I really REALLY fucking despise the propagandists with every fiber of my being. If there were ever a group of people that deserved a firing squad it would be those like Sean Hannity who know exactly what they're doing...

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

    Edit: apparently the part in OP starting "From a Republican..." is not meant to imply that OP is a Republican. As it lacked a main verb, I assumed it was ultimately meant as a relative clause and misassigned it to "I". Leaving this comment anyway but it doesn't apply to OP.

    I appreciate you taking the time to write this post, and I appreciate you noticing this trend.

    But I've got to be honest: the writing was on the wall the whole time. Being in the Republican bubble doesn't really change the fact that you only get here from a lack of critical thinking and a general susceptibility to propaganda. These are things that many people spend time and resources getting educated about. It's hard to have sympathy when the whole country is now suffering because so many were so sure they knew better.

    If I sound angry, I am. I do hope you take it constructively, but you also need to understand: most of the damage has already been done. It doesn't really matter how you feel from here on out, because the deed (from voters) is done.

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    [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Ask the guy who had his wife deported and is still supporting Trump.

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