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Pro temporary defederation. They seem to have removed the 'Right Wing Videos' community, though?

no need to repeat reddit's mistakes

im sure any community they have that is worth being connected could be remade here right?

im pretty new here and came from reddit as im tired of dealing with right wing assholes

I vote to defederate since this is a big problem but we also could simply remove all affected communities and ban the right wingers who control those communities. Though I can understand why defederation is warranted and also desired in this case.

“I don’t want to ban them because they keep me company.”

Defederation means censorship. If I, as an individual, have a problem with communities, I can block them. I like to keep that choice under my own control. So I vote for: No Defederation.

I don't agree with defederation.

db0 isn't my home, but my 2¢:

Balkanization will be the death of Lemmy.

Most new lemmings don't know which server they should join when they come from Reddit. Many don't even understand Federation in the first place. Users that pick the "wrong" instance are collateral damage. Non-toxic communities get caught in the crossfire. It might even discourage servers from allowing political communities at all, since they present a risk of defederation. An already small community becomes smaller.

Also, the "Nazi Bar" problem (imo) should be reserved for fascists and bigots specifically, not all right-wing content in general: fascists because of the Paradox of Tolerance, and bigots because they're mutually exclusive with the targets of their bigotry.

Can't you just block specific communities, or de-list the server from search instead?

-- edited to clarify the mob rule comment

I really appreciate the discussion, this will be my wordy take.

I am actively against needing to selectively ban individual communities. This may open up to a form of 'policing', or encouraging hunter-seekers and dogged flag raisers. It is lazy administration to ask another instance to moderate on your behalf, lets not go there.

Defederation, whilst the nuclear option, could be seen as seeking some form of regime change or that spooky governance from a distance. If this appears more and more in need of attention, disproportionate to overall growth, we may need to have a different discussion. That said, it is the purpose and power of a federation.

Are there any ways we can deduce if 'actors' are going out there and polluting other instances intentionally? Reddit bot farms come to mind. Can we see if other trusted instances feel the same?

Finally, I would hope this doesnt become some sort of (likely well intended) mob rule as a consequence of the above. We must have clear rules on how and when, what tips the scales, as this could become a trigger happy habit.

Maintaining a new community without prior experience may be tough, so supporting other instances might be all that is needed.

Concerns must be communicated - with evidence - and shown how they go against our rules/conduct/ethos whatever. Seek clarification from the admins if any actions or steps will be taken. If nothing changes after a period of time then defederation is the way to go. A notice board of some sort communicating this publically with the what has been done taken above and hopefully see organic change in the future.

Do it.