I always like to point out how there's art of these two characters fucking by the same author
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I mean, I was super curious what Sanders could've done if he had the chance. Instead, we got the opposite experiment.
If democrats in the US vote for stuff like Biden, then they're not voting for any radical change. Trump isn't comparable to that.
If democrats in the US vote for stuff like Biden, then they’re not voting for any radical change
I don't exactly know the details, but weren't there accusations of meddling from the DNC that stoppered Sanders' chance of securing the nomination, and a belief among some that he might have won the nomination if it had been a free and fair primary process?
In other words, it's possible (though by no means certain) that your sentence above works if "democrats" means "the DNC and the establishment of the Democratic Party", but not if it means "people who by-and-large support the Democratic Party".
The Dems did some delegate fuckery where all candidates endorsed Biden because ~~Bernie~~ Trump had to be stopped at all cost, and their delegates went to Biden even if he hadn't been voted for. Kamala contributed all of her 0 delegates and got VP for being ~~a cop~~ the first to drop out iirc.
Americans voted for Biden because the primary system heavily favored Biden and Americans were told Biden was "more electable" than Bernie, even though every one of Bernie's policies and his messaging polled better.
If the DNC didn't put their thumbs on the scale, Bernie would have won in 2016 (or 2020), and guaranteed a democratic victory in the next election because nobody receiving free healthcare is going to vote to go back to the current system.
Bernie isn't radical, he's a social democrat, he just looks radical because the democrats are right of George W Bush right now.
I get it and I don't disagree, but- Well, I for one wouldn't mind some radical change. Just not in the direction that it is going right now. Radical in itself is nothing bad, when the status quo is as bad as it is.
Still nothing
Courts wouldn’t even let Biden offer student loan relief
They were only able to because of the way he went about it. He could have simply ordered the Department of Education to immediately forgive the loans and erase any record of the debt, and dared the SCOTUS to order him to create new debts (which he could simply ignore).
Part of not being a dictator is not acting like it, you aren’t going to find a good person acting that way
You're not going to find a good person who puts following rules written to benefit the capitalist class above freeing people from crippling debt.
Probably, but I'd only believe that there is really nothing to be done once I see someone actually left-leaning attempt everything in their toolbox.
I believe Sanders would have tried to change as much as possible in the US. I also believe that he would have failed regarding a lot of things. Would have really liked to see him try though.
Democrats so afraid of being wrong they don't even try to do what's right.
You misunderstand their incentives. They're beholden to the billionaires, not to you.
It's just theatrics. They are as conservative as the Republicans.
They do differ slightly on social issues. But that's it.
I don't believe either side gives two wet shits about the social issues they argue about. The only thing they care about is that we continue to villainize each other about it
The goal is that they have a few wedge issues to fight over, so we vote based on that and that alone. A good wedge issue for them involves a few things, it is something with a deep emotional tie, something that is almost impossible for us to just ignore, something with a clear for/against stance, and MOST importantly, it has no impact on the capitalists continuing to drain our blood until were desiccated hollow shells screaming at each other about trans sports from our cardboard boxes under the overpass
Exploitation wearing a friendly mask
Vs
Exploitation wearing its true face
Either way, the masses are exploited. A better alternative is possible
That's not their purpose, they just need to look the part. They are comfortable in the 'my hands are tied' position. They can propose bills they know will not make it. When they have a supermajority, like they had not long ago, they are in trouble. They have no choice but to stop proposing bills and find reasons to say they are 'sabotaged'. They played this game for centuries, still works.
They can propose bills they know will not make it.
they actively work to ensure don't make it. Manchin, Sinema and others like them are greatly valued by Dems for their role as scapegoats.
They in this case being libs in liberal democracies, not democrats specifically.
One way to resolve the contradiction between the capitalist class, which the state represents, and the masses, whom the state requires to maintain power is for the masses to believe their representatives want what's best for them, but are powerless to implement it due to foreigners or nature or some other group, or are trying and it will happen some indeterminate time in the future.
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They are not afraid of being wrong. They don't actually care about your well being, they are just here to make money for their corporate friends and themselves.
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"You have to understand there's only so much I can do in this position"
Meanwhile, one of their former members named Huey Long: "Now I dynamite 'em out of my path"
Really though, beyond the Dems doing something legislatively, could you imagine if the party actually utilized it's network for direct action campaigns. Not that their donors or upper middle class members would be copacetic to any actual economic disruption. I mean christ, the Senate leader doesn't even want to let the Republicans shut down the government while they're busy dismantling it. Their current strategy is to appeal by saying they can bring back business as usual. Unfortunately they don't seem to understand that appearing ineffectual turns centrists off even more than appearing radical does.
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