Marjorie Taylor Greene, a prominent Republican congresswoman and a staunch ally of Trump, suggested a return to "measles parties" for children. She criticized contemporary attitudes towards vaccination, stating, "Now, they demonize parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids."

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[–] 190 points 2 years ago (3 children)

"I didn't vaccinate my kids and the one that lived turned out fine!"

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    [–] 171 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    “Now, they demonize parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids.”

    It's pretty normal to demonize parents who abuse children.

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    [–] 114 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    She thinks the measles are like chicken pox, pretty much harmless to young ones. My parents tried to get me sick in the 70s, that's just how it was done before we had a chicken pox vaccine. Finally got it at 16, still have the scars nearly 40-years later. But I got my shingles vax!

    She's literally this stupid. Some things we see these nuts try to pull off make sense, from an evil point of view. This move is plain stupid, and because we've forgotten what measles are people will listen.

    BTW, I'm 54 and just now learning what measles are and how bad it can be. I had no clue, because I've never met anyone that had it.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    i had chickenpox as a kid, i remember the aveeno baths for it, we were set in the same room to "inonculate" the rest of the siblings. as there was no vaccine at the time. Chickenpox is quite severe for adults though. i did get shingles around 20yo though. theres is shingles to potentially turn severe, but its rare. shingles can cause meningitis, and encephalitis, as well as spinal cord damage.

    people who arnt sure about thier chickenpox immunity can ask thier doctors to do antibody titers(it doesnt detect dormant chickenpox in your ganglia though because theres no way to detect it outside of autopsy), your doctor maybe reluctant to administer the test though.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    When my husband moved to Germany from Russia, he had no idea whether he was vaccinated as a child or not (he very likely was, but there weren't records he was aware of and his mom died early). So he went to the doctor's to ask for titers. They said they could test that but he would have to pay out of pocket, and offered to just vaccinate him again for free. He went through all the children's vaccines - including chicken pox, which wasn't around when we were kids (90s). It is the simpler, more accessible, and cheaper alternative to titers.

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    [–] 82 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (16 children)

    I spent SO MUCH TIME during my pediatrics clinical rotation explaining vaccines to new parents. In some cases, I sat there for a literal hour and debunked myths and conspiracy theories in order to get the parents to consider maybe doing a delayed vaccination schedule. I'm a medical student, so my time is basically worthless and I viewed this as a good use of it, but it was so incredibly frustrating to have to do over and over.

    For other folks who know anti-vax parents (new or not), here's the best line of argument I came up with:

    Vaccines have been around for a very long time now, and the only changes we've made to them recently is to make them better and safer. The preservatives in them like the mercury compound are perfectly safe, but we've still worked hard to improve the manufacturing process to minimize the need for those preservatives and make the vaccines as pure as possible.

    Vaccines are made of little fragments of the virus or bacteria, or a modified, significantly weaker version of the pathogen to give your child's immune system a chance to see it before the real thing shows up. It's like giving your child's immune system a wanted poster or a punching bag to practice on because it has to make special tools to fight each different pathogen.

    The reason we load kids up with so many vaccines in the first year or two of life is because their immune systems are still growing and it's an optimal time to introduce things for it to prepare for, and we want to give them some protection of their own before the antibodies from mom run out around 6 to 12 months of life.

    We have decades of data showing that vaccines are safe and effective, and the complications and side effects are so minor compared to the problems that can come from the disease. And it's usually around 1000:1 ratio of complications from the disease versus complications from the vaccine, and the vaccine complications are almost always less severe than the complications from the disease.

    If you refuse vaccination for your child for reasons besides an anaphylactic allergy to the ingredients, you are gambling your child's life with most of these diseases, and it would have been an entirely preventable death. Vaccines are very hard to make and we have prioritized making vaccines for the diseases that kill children. We don't bother making vaccines for things that are just a nuisance, so the vaccines we have exist for very good reasons. For the most famous example, measles has about 5 different ways it can kill your child that are impossible to treat or prevent once they have it, and many ways to cause permanent damage. The known and most common side effects of the measles vaccine are pretty mild and can be easily treated with medications we have available.

    Edit: Fuck it. I've decided that I'm going to use some of my copious (/s) free time writing a children's and parents' book about vaccine safety with this argument. I will self publish if I have to and give it out in family medicine and pediatric clinics if it kills me.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Another worth noting is if an antivaxxer says "we don't know what they put into vaccines", respond with "we don't know what they put in painkillers and yet you take them no problem". Nine times out of ten, these antivaxxers would take painkillers willy nilly without question. Saying this makes them question their line of thought. Heck, the same could be said just about anything. We don't know what cooks in restaurants put into the food we ordered, and yet there is no significant movement advocating to stop ordering takeaways or eating outside of home.

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    Now, they demonize parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids

    They should have their skulls kicked in before even thinking of having children

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  • [–] 59 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

    I was a kid when they were first developing the vaccines for measles, mumps, and rubella (we called it German measles). So my brothers and I all got every one of them. I remember being sick with them, and with one of the measles types (don't remember which) I was so sick I though I was gonna die. I'll never forget lying there, even thinking of certain things made me puke (or dry heave) so I had to concentrate on not thinking of anything. I remember puking so hard it came out my nose. One of my brothers was so sick, his fever was so high, they took him to the hospital.

    Do parents really want to put their children through this instead of a shot? WTF

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    [–] 54 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    i had no sympathy for anti-vax adults during covid, their choice to risk their lives. But children with basic vaccinations? their parents are taking the risk and the ones that didn't choose are getting the consequences

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  • [–] 49 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    Why are people debating measles vaccines again? The covid vaccine debate was stupid but I could kinda understand the concern there in comparison to this

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    [–] 44 points 2 years ago* (13 children)

    Just had a thought. What if we took a insignificant amount of the virus and injected it into people. This would allow them to develop antibodies so that if they do become exposed they are ready to fight it.

    Probably safer then just exposing people to the virus. Could also do it to enough people that it virtually eradicates the virus.

    Just an idea. We would also have to do a bunch of testing and have a bunch of regulations around it. Just to prove there isn't any unwarranted side effects.

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    [–] 40 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    That moron again? Someone fire her please!

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    [+] 39 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
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    [–] 38 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    They’re not going to learn until they’re charged and convicted of homicide.

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    [–] 33 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It's so weird that they don't want abortions to be legal but they basically want spontaneous death to happen after birth.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago

    Yay, baby gambling!

    But on the serious note, they want poor to be confused, miserable and desperate. They themselves take all the best healthcare, all shots and boosters, but they want for pandemic to happen because it would occupy ordinary people's minds and also give the government additional abilities to control everyone, while the collapsing market would once again benefit the rich and make poor even poorer. There's no downside for the likes of MTG, Trump and RFK as long as they are in power.

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    [–] 30 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Arrest her for attempted homicide

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    [–] 30 points 2 years ago

    Stupid bitch.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago

    She needs to be censored and imprisoned.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago

    Psychotic Bitch Promotes Child Murder

    FTFY

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    She is massively psycho. She's the same shit stain that harassed teenage survivors of school shootings. Clearly she doesn't give a shit about kids.

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    [–] 25 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Well maybe their dumbasses will learn something about how stupid she is

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    [–] 25 points 2 years ago

    So arrest and jail her

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago

    Jesus Christ she is a fucking moron

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Margerine Taylor Greene can go fuck herself!

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    [–] 22 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Thought the bitch was pro life? This seems quite anti-life to me.

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Measles isn't fucking chicken pox…

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Stupid bitch would be advocating for ebola parties if there was a vaccine for it.

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago

    This is a death cult.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago*

    bet she won't be censured for "decorum violations".

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    Nurgle cultist. May measles spread and give new life from the dead and rotten.

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