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[-] [email protected] 150 points 4 months ago

"Fun fact": Mount Rushmore or Six Grandfathers was a sacred mountain for the Lakota to actively disrespect their beliefs

[-] [email protected] 96 points 4 months ago

other "fun" fact: the man who defaced Six Grandfathers, Gutzon Borglum, was a member of the KKK

[-] [email protected] 49 points 4 months ago

Gutzon Borglum

I refuse to acknowledge this is a real name.

[-] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago

That's a gnome NPC in WoW, right?

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[-] [email protected] 86 points 4 months ago

The history of Washingtons teeth is uncertain. The evidence that those were slave teeth seems to show that the teeth were purchased.

Internet pictures with words are fucking dumb.

[-] [email protected] 39 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Washington owned slaves. He was not some moral high ground individual. The only reason why they even got independence from Britain was that Britain wanted to stop the expansion of the territory and the people in the colonies wanted to continue it and kill all the natives.

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In 1784, Washington paid unnamed “Negroes” for nine teeth. We don’t know the precise circumstances, says Van Horn: “The president’s decision to pay his slaves for their teeth may have been a recognition on his part that teeth were something sacrosanct and personal.” On the other hand, being enslaved meant that any economic exchange was inherently not fair.

He literally took advantage of enslaved people to get their teeth and you consider it as just “bought”. Top tier cracker mindset. I guess that to you it was also fair for him to own his slaves because he “bought” them.

https://daily.jstor.org/were-george-washingtons-teeth-taken-from-enslaved-people/

[-] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago

I didn't suggest anything about his character, and we could probably have an entirely separate discussion about imperialism.

What is important is how you source information when it comes to dental prosthetics.

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[-] [email protected] 80 points 4 months ago

Not to mention defacing a mountain by putting a bunch of faces on it

[-] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago

Not just a mountain. A mountain holy for native americans

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

Defaced then refaced

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[-] [email protected] 80 points 4 months ago

Lincoln also commuted the sentence of 264 other Dakotans that had to be executed the same day. If he didn't intervene the executions would've been 303

[-] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago

Yeah. Cherry-picking can be used for good AND evil.

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[-] [email protected] 58 points 4 months ago

Not pictured: the giant, shitty looking pile of rubble under them.

They just blasted chunks off the mountain and left the mess behind

[-] [email protected] 42 points 4 months ago

Also not pictured: that the mountain is a spiritual site for the local tribes.

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[-] [email protected] 55 points 4 months ago

This is why I find it surprising when USAians say "This is not us." When talking about Trump. No bro, it was always you, maybe you just weren't paying attention.

[-] [email protected] 44 points 4 months ago

As a Native American this attitude is so grating. People outside the US really don’t seem to understand that it’s 55 different states, districts, and territories, along with dozens of sovereign tribes, all being forced to pretend to be one nation. Many of us can and do claim “this is not us” in the same way many Europeans would say the same about Viktor Orban.

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

As a European, I think it's because of all the "land of the free", "we're #1", "the american dream" and "the american melting pot" bullshit.

Whatever that means when looking at history. It was only as an adult that I found out america is the villain.

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Me sowing: Hell yeah this is great

Me reaping: This is not us. What a somber moment in world history 😔

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[-] [email protected] 54 points 4 months ago

Seems like a good time to link the list of US atrocities

[-] [email protected] 50 points 4 months ago

All four of them carved onto a sacred natural site known to the Plains Indigenous people of the area as the 'Six Grandfathers'

[-] [email protected] 46 points 4 months ago

I understand the point, but as an exercise, try to find four historical figures without glaring character defects. Eventually, I figure we’ll all be either judged or forgotten in time.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago

These are a little more than character defects... theres lots of historical figures who didn't rape and murder.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

We only learn about the ones with defects, because they are the most interesting. Most people in history were fine.

One historic figure who had no known defects: Alan Turing

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago

Yeah every political leader have little oopsies like being called "town destroyer" by the people which land they invaded and towns they destroyed. They also were proud of it, used it to invade even more land, and their grandpas were also called that because it's their family and nation thing to do for generations.

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[-] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago

303 natives were convicted and sentenced to death following the Dakota War of 1862. Lincoln actually commuted the sentences of 264 of those natives, allowing the convictions to stand only for those he believed personally engaged in the murder of innocent women and children.

Therefore, the last one is deliberately and intentionally misleading.

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[-] [email protected] 32 points 4 months ago

Teddy Roosevelt never said "The only good indian is a dead indian." That quote is typically associated with Philip Sheridan.

A number of sources claim a similar quote (“I don’t go so far as to think that the only good Indians are the dead Indians, but I believe nine out of every 10 are...") alleged to be from an 1886 speech in New York, but this still goes against how he treated native americans generally and I can't find the original speech so I'm a bit suspicious of this as well.

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[-] [email protected] 42 points 4 months ago

That would require the democrats to actually do something

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[-] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago

That would require democrats to have fundamentally different goals than Republicans.

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

My biggest complaint about Lincoln was the people he didn't hang.

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