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[–] 242 points 2 years ago (68 children)

There absolutely is way. The dems are routinely ineffective and they lost a lot of votes from 2020 because of the whole "Harris backs Israel in a genocide" thing.

Just cause the greater evil won doesn't mean the left needs to start peddling unfounded "stolen election" conspiracy theories. It's completely reasonable that enough people realized they fucked up by voting for Republicans, Third Party, or abstaining and took this as an opportunity to refute the actions of the current administration.

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  • [–] 109 points 2 years ago (20 children)
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    What if there was statistical evidence of probable tampering?

    All of the allegations listed on this site have fairly logical explanations when given context.

    Republicans pushed against mail in ballots hard, so it makes sense that Harris would do better with mail ins and trump would do better with early voting. It also makes sense that trump voters mainly cared about the presidential election compared to Harris voters. It also makes sense that Harris underperformed as Democrats didn't get to participate in a primary. Basically it makes sense for there to be abnormalities in an abnormal election, that doesn't mean there's "statistical evidence of probable tampering".

    Plus Trump, in his rambling, said something that [heavily implies tampering with vote counting machines

    Right...... But this means that we would be questioning trump's honesty based on assuming that trump is being honest on this particular subject. He's a troll who likes to stir the shit and make people assume he's more competent than he really is, the same as musk.

    It does not behoove progressives to question the reliability of elections without real evidence. Having people question the reliability of elections only serves conservative agenda of making it harder for people to vote.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Abnormal Clustering: In contrast to Election Day voting, Early Vote results display an unusual pattern: once approximately 250 ballots have been processed a visible shift is observed, resulting in a high degree of clustering and unusual uniformity. This is a departure from expected human voting behavior.

    This is not logically explained by an "abnormal election".

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    And the whole thing about Republicans constantly projecting, they screamed about vote tampering and then shut up real quick as soon as Trump won. And the obvious fact that Trump and Republicans in general constantly cheat, lie etc. IMO it was obvious even before the election that they would tamper, cheat and do everything illegal and unacceptable in their power to win.

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  • [–] 53 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    You honestly think the party of "Every accusation is a confession" who spent 4 years screaming about election fraud didn't commit election fraud?

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    The problem is the down ballot. I'm having trouble believing that a whole lot of people went out there and voted for Trump for president, and Democrats everywhere else.

    I understand staying home. I understand voting Republican. But lots and lots of split ballots?

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago* (7 children)

    There's actually quite a lot of evidence.

    https://electiontruthalliance.org/

    https://smartelections.substack.com/p/so-clean

    The tabulators switched after 500 votes and restricted dems to 45%, the data looks artificially smoothed to hide this. The same pattern is visible on elections going back to 2014.

    They also found the remote access code for Dominion machines on a public repo with the private admin password in it, there's evidence of breaches all around the country from people associated with Trump. They got caught red handed, told us they were doing it the full time.

    And that's before we get to the voter suppression, and 10-20% of the country being in a state of algorithmically induced psychosis.

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    [+] 110 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)
  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    There was a ton of irregularities reported btw. I forget the exact number but like 20-40 with enough evidence that they were bringing the cases forward. But when Trump came in he appointed someone to a role who dismissed them all.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I want to believe that, cause it confirms my biases, but you gotta source?

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Took me a while but I found what I was thinking of.

    It was the Fired FEC head

    But it wasn't because she was fired they didn't go forward, it's because the board is 3/3 dem/rep so a republican would need to 'flip'

    Asked by Alicia Menendez, "What is most alarming to you?" she replied, "Well, I can't talk about anything that would be currently before the commission by law, complaints that are filed and any investigatory action remains confidential until the cases are closed."

    She then continued. "But I can tell you that in the past we have had 63 separate complaints filed against the president or his political committees –– and not all complaints are well-founded not all complaints are worth the agency's time to pursue. But our nonpartisan professional staff has advocated that we pursue 31 of those cases and, in not a single one, did we get four votes to move forward."

    This is one of the things they talked about in the election interference hearings in December too

    “Almost every matter that the FEC has not pursued is associated with the former president [Trump]” (Rep Torres, about 57minutes in)

    Link to thread discussing: https://www.reddit.com/r/somethingiswrong2024/s/JUGCXE7Gab

    Link to full hearing on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/live/mIDJ5whpSHQ

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    [–] 83 points 2 years ago (18 children)
    1. He didn't "handily win" he won by 1-2 points in the swing states.

    2. It tracks with an anti-incumbent sentiment, people are not happy with inflation so they voted against the incumbent, they're still not happy and still voting against the incumbent.

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    [–] 76 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    People on the left need to stop peddling this “Trump stole the election” stuff. It plays right into his rhetoric about our elections being rigged and allows him to cry again whenever his side loses. The comment in the screenshot looks like a fucking bot anyway.

    Dems didn’t dump Biden early enough and the average American voter is dirt fucking stupid. Plus you’re telling me there’s some sort of massive conspiracy to alter votes in 7 different states with separate election systems and no one blabbed?

    While I agree that every accusation is a confession until we see some hard proof that’s peer reviewed I’m skeptical. We shouldn’t be focusing on the past anyway, it doesn’t solve our current problems. We need to focus on the present and future.

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    [–] 55 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Trump's been talking about how he won because of Elon "being good with computers"

    Investigations were launched over less

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    [–] 48 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Part of why Trump wins is simply because there's more brand recognition for him. He gets media written about him very easily and his photo gets splashed around BY BOTH SIDES!

    In today's politics there's nothing worse than becoming "what's his name" - "the other guy".

    In the age of the para-social relationship the big names get the votes, regardless of whether they're liked or a reasonable choice.

    Oddly enough the establishment left seem to think politics is a meritocracy. Which is idiotic and part and parcel with them being generally out of touch.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Why aren't we talking more about all the mail in ballots that were destroyed in mailbox arson attacks or by postal workers?

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago

    Yeah, something about this shift in focus feels like a psyop. We have clear evidence of targeted voter suppression, destruction of ballots, etc. In a two party system, fraudulently removing your opponent's votes has exactly the same impact as creating fake votes for yourself. That's already clear evidence of fraud, why are we redefining "evidence of fraud" as a new thing that we haven't found yet?

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    [–] 32 points 2 years ago (53 children)

    Election denialism seems to just now be a feature of American politics

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    [–] 26 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    He already admitted Musk rigged the voting machines

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    [–] 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

    At this point anyone who denies Elon stole the election is just as wilfully ignorant and naive as I was when I thought Trump didn't collude with Russia. How much blatant evidence do you need before you admit that the cheating fascists are cheating fascists? (they never will because democrats are doing literally nothing to stop Elon illegally dismantling the government) (edited to fix an autocorrect)

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    [–] 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    your takeaway is a lot different from mine: here i'm thinking, how useless must this this katie whittington be.. LOL 9+k votes (total) between them. 14 percent of the district voted in this special election. tell us again how its IMPOSSIBLE kamala lost her swing states in the general presidential election.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    Let's be frank: it was a special election where about a tenth of eligible voters turned out.

    Trump ain't gonna see an FDR level midterms victory, unless he manages to destroy the American democracy totally, but I wouldn't look at this as evidence of some major shift by itself.

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  • You know, after Mike Zimmer stopped being the defensive coordinator for the Cincinnati Bengals I lost track of what happened to him. Thought he went to the Cowboys or something. I guess we really could use some better defensive plays in the legislature though.

    (I assume this must be a different Mike Zimmer)

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (7 children)

    Noteworthy enough, Trump's aggregate approval ratings is unfortunately quite high for the first month in office compared to before.

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    [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    And what we'll see is by next election this guy will lose his seat because Republicans and Independents are dumber than goldfish.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    He won "legitimately" by suppressing the votes he couldn't get in swing states. I heard that if you're black or in a metro area in a swing state that your vote was likely thrown out through some beurocratic bullshit.

    Grain of salt: I did hear this on YouTube and I don't remember the channel, it might have been humanist report or something like that. It definitely sounded legit, though.

    They had four years to corrupt the election offices in specific areas and I 100% believe they could and would pursue that opportunity.

    EDIT: another poster shared this, this is basically the same thing I heard. https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/

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