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The United Kingdom has issued a secret order to Apple. It wants the corporation to build a backdoor for Britain’s security services that it could use to access the cloud accounts of any iPhone user across the planet.

As first reported by The Washington Post, Britain issued the order in secret last month. The U.K. isn’t looking to root around in a specific account for a specific security reason. No, it wants free access to all a user’s encrypted material, full stop. The U.K is making the demand under a 2016 law called the Investigatory Powers Act, derisively known as the Snooper’s Charter.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Ahh, the good old government backdoor. Maybe they should ask the Americans how well that went with their telco equipment...

[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

"The only good backdoor is my backdoor."

Hmm, that sounds worse than I meant it to.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Can confirm, they have a really good backdoor.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

No worries.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

“The only good back door is my wife’s back door”?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The problem about a backdoor is anyone can get into it. If you need evidence, please see above.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

Why are we talking about my mom?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

Or how it's currently going with Elon's installation of unauthorized, networked hardware in many vital government agencies.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

Reminder that the CISA group investigating Salt Typhoon was disbanded by the current nazi administration. Quite disturbing to think how many devices might still be compromised while the investigation has been abandoned.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 days ago (2 children)

As a British person I hope Apple pulls all iCloud services including iMessage and FaceTime, rather than comply with this demand. It’s the only way the public will notice.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago

Sorry man, they won't. Those billions don't get hoarded in tax havens by themselves.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

If Apple renamed iMessage something like Leaky Communicator or Insecure Texts (Security Breach)

and renamed FaceTime like FaceTime with you and your government

and then both apps had frequent warnings about data being shared with the government, I wonder how many folks would be willing to go years without ever bothering to do anything to try to fix it.

(btw iOS prompts to contact legislators would go a long way now that I think about it, a la the TikTok thing)

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago

The United Kingdom has issued a secret order to Apple.

If they’re so bad at keeping secrets that anyone can read all about them within a month, then they have no business ordering anyone to create software backdoors.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Global access is wild, basically it means if the UK could force this that any five eyes country would then have the same access without needing to look bad to their citizens.

Also, how hard do we expect Apple to fight this? I have a hard time believing they would just pull out of the UK but I could be wrong. From what I understand China has this type of access because they don't allow E2EE.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Global access is wild, basically it means if the UK could force this that any five eyes country would then have the same access without needing to look bad to their citizens.

Doesn't the US already have that backdoor? From what you're saying, the UK probably already has access? Not attacking, sincerely asking.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Doesn’t the US already have that backdoor?

If they do they aren't admitting it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

If they do, the cops and mid-level government agencies don't know. When that recent phone reboot patch when in, they were losing their minds because a bunch of phones sitting around for weeks to be cracked ended up encrypted.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

As far as I know Apple didn't give in, Trump and the FBI wanted it during his first term but I don't think it happened. At least I hope it didn't.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

Peasants mad that they're treated like peasants by the aristocracy and their guards.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

Won’t happen. Waste of time and taxpayer money.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Only possible as iOS fails to include a libre software license text file. We do not control it, anti-libre software.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How so? (Genuine question)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

How we going to remove its backdoor when it bans us from changing, controlling, copies of its source code?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's weird coming from the UK. Expect that to be an American thing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

When the Snowden Revelations came out, the US rolled back some of the surveillance, whilst in the UK which had even more invasive surveillance than the US, they got the editor of the newspaper which brought out the Revelations fired and passed a law to retroactively make all those practices legal.

This is now at all weird coming from the UK, quite the contrary - it's totally expected since they're worse than the US.

Maybe you're confusing the much higher quality of image management of the UK (in the country that created the word "posh", projecting the right appearance is traditionally a speciality of the upper classes over there) than in the US with the reality of Britain when it comes to civil society surveillance and democratic practices in general - Britain is pretty close the Stasi East-Germany when it comes to the established powers keeping an eye on the riff-raff.