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Literally never heard about this event before today.
Piefed needs a cute mascot
I'm not wed to the logo, by any means
To be fair it depends what kind of pie it is.
Are you wed to the name?
Not really, no.
Seems like an asshole/ego move to fork Lemmy rather than contribute to it when Lemmy is an ongoing project
It's an entirely different codebase. Lemmy is written in Rust, PieFed in Python. If you're a Python developer you're not going to randomly learn Rust to contribute to the huge existing codebase that is Lemmy, and even if you did you might have a different stance than the Lemmy developers calling for a fork.
Furthermore, it's not a zero sum game. The projects share content, and both benefit from the success of the other.
It's not a fork.
Diversity is good
Yes, it is generally good, but if we want a viable alternative to the sub-based AI platform, then we need more users, not more platforms.
I wouldn't be here if I had to use Lemmy. Its user experience doesn't appeal to me.
Piefed appeals to me, so I'm here. More good options will be reflected in more users.
The platforms are federated and use the same protocol, it doesn’t matter
Normally I'd agree, but the recent increase in popularity of Pixelfed among the TikTok crowd has shown me that it's possible for one fediverse platform to succeed where a competing one failed.
Ignoring the fact piefed isn’t a lemmy fork.
Are you really going to argue that forking an existing project because you want to take it a different way is an asshole move?
Also ignoring the same fact.
I mean in a way they're not wrong. This open source fragmentation is an actual nightmare at this point...
Buuuuut considering who the lemmy devs are I will gladly move to Piefed when I can actually easily host my own instance.
Open source is all about fragmentation. It's a natural result of freedom.
Sure, if everybody pulled the same direction on the same project and successfully coordinated their cooperative effort while agreeing on everything and also having the perfect™ vision for the project, that would be great.
But that's just not gonna happen, for a million reasons. So instead, we get diversity, and people can use the software that fits them, and develop what they're interested in in the language of their choosing. Thank god.
Why did you assume it's a lemmy fork?
Anything to avoid those dirty commie tankies. Lol
I'm fine with it whilst there are maintainers with the whole "transgenderism is bourgeoise decadence" stance going on. I've happily worked with MLs and MLMs, I'm not a fan of bigots who work backwards to fit their ideology to their prejudices.
Why not Lemmy?
Because of you
Yeah, fair enough.
Not you. We like you.
I needed that, thank you.
Feet pics?
Yeah sure alright. Here:
I... Didn't expect that to work
I wouldn't have done it if you had. I hope you have a very nice day!
Damn, you did not hold back.
They seemed nice so why not. Plus, it's funnier this way.
I love this place.
Mainly because it's too popular, we need to diversify with mbin/piefed.
Also, because piefed has more features (we don't even have polls on lemmy yet, why?) and i think it's more beginner friendly.
That's just my opinion though, all of them are better than reddit eitherway.
While that is a reasonable motivation, I'd be more worried about potential fracturing of the marketshare, preventing the critical mass to be reached for smaller ones, while keeping the bigger ones from reaching full potential.
The flame dying out for kbin comes to mind. Mastodon probably saw this and decided they need to up their game.
If we're talking about feature, wouldn't it be better to improve on the existing?
I'm definitely not an expert on this, but I find it concerning the massive closed players keep getting all the pies while preying on the players on the verse, waiting to see some weakness to prey on.
Potential fracturing of the marketshare
I find it hard to imagine that'll be too much of an issue considering I'm seeing piefed and Mastodon comments in my Lemmy app right now. I don't care if someone is on a different site than I am as long as the content we make for each other gets seen by each other
The flame dying out for kbin comes to mind.
That wasn't because of adoption, that was because the main dev ran into health issues. Or at least I was under the impression of that.
Assuming what you said is true, this would highlight the fact that kbin was pretty much entirely ran by a single person. Otherwise, someone else would readily take over.
I think there are a lot of projects that have many contributors but only one person that has admin access to the repo, website, etc. I wouldn't necessarily say it meant there was a single person working on it.
Let's not pretend that these projects are exempt from the real life obstacles. People have real life out there. They get sick, have family issues, change ideologies, you name it. Sometimes the sole maintainer goes missing out of the blue.
Yet some of these projects persevere despite challenges. Solus is a good example.
Mbin exists as a continuation of kbin. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
I (personally ofc) think that goes against the spirit of the fediverse. See lemmy.world for example; anyone can argue that lemmy.world is good for the fediverse since it's an easy choice for beginners to make, but in the long term it will harm everyone in general, since it just becomes centralized.
I think it makes sense that lemmy and mastodon are the most popular but i don't think it would hurt to have alternatives. I know that it's different when it's about an instance instead of a software (since the developers don't have much say in running the instances in general) but it could still harm smaller projects.
If we're talking about feature, wouldn't it be better to improve on the existing?
I'm not saying lemmy shouldn't be improved, but i was highlighting that it can be frustrating to wait for the lemmy devs to implement features that other software have implemented long time ago, and it may discourage other small devs from implementing it since "the most popular software doesn't implement it, so no one would see/use this feature anyway".
Keeping the verse alive one way or another goes with the spirit of fediverse. The case with .world does highlight the pitfalls of having an instance so big, but it highlight its success. The pitfalls can also be mitigated by having many other instances, big and small (e.g. sh.itjust.works, blahaj, db0, sopuli, lemm.ee, all the feddit instances) that although they have different names, they share the same banner of Lemmy. This is highly successful with Mastodon.
Speaking of the same banner, wouldn't it be great to have many different link aggregators like lemmy, mbin, piefed, and maybe others to share the same class identity or so instead of what they currently are? This way, they all won't be treated like competing standards despite being on their own code base and feature set. Maybe with this, forks of the original Lemmy code can be created to address the stuborness of the devs.
Yes, I am aware ActivityPub is supposed to achieve just this, but it also does a lot of things that are not relevant and even confusing to the specific use case (e.g. link aggregator). Also, newcomers would just get frustrated with all this tech stuff and ran off to the warm embrace of big tech.
I agree. Though my main concern was that Lemmy would gain too much control over the threads part of the fediverse it doesn't seem to have happened yet. Its mainly a future concern for me.
There's nothing wrong with Lemmy or mastodon, but it's nice JIC to have good alternatives like mbin n piefed.
I've been thinking of making a project that would explain the entire fediverse (hopefully easily) and build a chooser, where it'd help by choosing a software and an instance. That is a good way to cull back a little on too much centralization IMO.
Don't get me wrong though, Lemmy or mastodon, I'm still happy that we're getting more mainstream :D ultimately my points are just small criticisms.
This is [email protected] :)
I mean, it’s being federated to Lemmy and most of us just see the Lemmy software as the open Reddit alternative. I’m still not quite sure what Piefed is like, I’ve pretty much never had to look past Lemmy and Mastodon.
I recommend giving it a spin if you have the time! It's pretty great :)
