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Debian is Ditching X (Twitter) Citing These Reasons (news.itsfoss.com)

submitted 1 day ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

shutting out a significant portion of your community without seeking their input first isn't a sensible move for such a foundational open source project.

Ironic when X shuts out anyone who isn't logged in and shuts out anyone who doesn't pay for a blue checkmark from having visible replies.

Having an X account isn't consequence-free - if it becomes where updates occur, people have to sign up for an account and subject themselves to nazis everywhere and all manner of crypto spam just to see updates. And they have to pay Elon tribute to be heard in response. It's crazy that anyone sees it as being friendly to users.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Kinda wondering who in that community is going to bat for Elon Musk after the last two weeks.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Agreed. Notably, Bluesky doesn't require an account to read posts.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 hours ago

Yet

[–] [email protected] 65 points 12 hours ago

When it forces you to log in to view stuff, it's usefulness as a platform for announcements is substantially lessened.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 hours ago

shutting out a significant portion of your community without seeking their input first isn't a sensible move for such a foundational open source project.

It actually is a perfectly sensible move, and it doesn't "shut out" anyone. If anything, prioritizing twitter is what shuts users out. They linked to two-three alternatives. What's the argument here, exactly, from the other side?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 13 hours ago

My town’s subreddit just started a policy to disallow links to X for similar reasons.

There is a movement to avoid the platform.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 15 hours ago

Good riddance. Stop using Nazi platforms and join the fediverse instead.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 17 hours ago (16 children)

Good, now if only OpenSource devs switched from Discord to let's say Matrix/XMPP

We'd be partying

[–] [email protected] 44 points 16 hours ago (7 children)

go back to forums. Support in discord is awful. Discord is not as searchable as a forum public on the internet

[–] [email protected] 12 points 13 hours ago

https://forums.debian.net/ exists for Debian

[–] [email protected] 28 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Yeah, forums please. I hate the idea of troubleshooting information being locked behind some stupid software we can't easily index and search. Forums can be put on archive.org, you can literally print a page, or save it as a PDF for reviewing later. You can make use of bookmark software like Linkwarden to archive things.

Discord? Not so much. You can use third party software to scrape it and save information, but no search engine can index it. Community building is great, but I loathe having to trawl through tonnes of blithering blathering conversation BS just to figure out where to find firmware for a particular chip I have is.

Makes me want to projectile vomit all over the place, throw my computer out the window, and move to convent.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 15 hours ago (8 children)

god, the replies to their tweet are awful...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 hours ago

Why politicize everything?

Simps for X (formerly twitter)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 hours ago

Those replies are why they are leaving. And good riddance to such a godawful platform.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 hours ago

That first reply highlights a major difference in how people approach the world.

Speaking very generally, conservatism and right wing politics seen to attract those who see everything as a competition and that dominating other people is what it means to be a good person. Funny that it also leads to frustrated, angry, isolated people.

So if we want to switch to using a website that doesn’t promote hurting/killing 2% of the population, we are now BOWING DOWN to the minority some of us would not rather murder.

It’s the same reason they hate DEI so much.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Blue checkmarks...

[–] [email protected] 15 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

This is to me one of the major reasons Twitter discourse is completely ruined and the platform is mostly useless for seeing what people think now.

When the only people who get to be at the top of discussions are people who pay for twitter, the only opinions that get shared are those that are pro Twitter, pro Elon, etc. Because they have a direct stake in the game.

And that's if the accounts posting aren't all bots that pay for a checkmark to boost engagement, which is almost all I see when I occasionally have to check Twitter these days.

So glad more people are leaving it. There's nothing to gain from it anymore.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Sounds like bots

[–] [email protected] 14 points 14 hours ago

Honestly I had the same thought. But on the other hand, internet outrage talking points have also become extremely formulaic...

[–] [email protected] 18 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

It is depressing, but I try not to forget we are seeing a sort of survivorship bias of stupidity on the former Twitter at this point. The cohort of remaining posting accounts is dumber and dumber on average. And this dynamic is magnified in the replies, because they are paid blue accounts at the top. Eg, self-selected losers. (The top account has likely just hidden their checkmark)

Edit: PS, are you still using Nitter? I thought it had died?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The reasons (summarized using Copilot):

The platform no longer aligns with Debian's values, social contract, code of conduct, and diversity statement.
Concerns over X becoming a place where people they care about don't feel safe.
Abuse on the platform happening without consequences.
Issues with misinformation and lack of moderation.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

bad bot

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I didn't really need another reason to love Debian more but here we are... I'm donating to Debian today

[–] [email protected] 10 points 13 hours ago

Debian continues to be one of the best distros ever made. If I had the means, it would get funding every time I run apt update.

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