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[–] 220 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Personally, I think that the discussion around this will evolve as the news spreads, but I agree with Robert on this one. Sure, X/Twitter has become a less welcoming place than before, but shutting out a significant portion of your community without seeking their input first isn't a sensible move for such a foundational open source project.

Nah, I think I'm cool if Debian doesn't respect the input of Nazi sympathisers.

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  • [–] 84 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Yeah, that section is bad.

    For one, it's has classic vibe "if you want to keep the nazis out, you're the one who's exclusionary".

    But also, how is refusing to engage on a platform "shutting out a significant portion of [the] community"? That sounds backwards to me. Blocking people from engaging with Debian on its own platforms would be shutting them out. The implication in the article is that Debian is obligated to be unconditionally present on every social platform its users might be on.

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  • [–] 54 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    The other twist is, unlike Xitter, you don't have to create an account on Mastodon to be able to read their feed. You can access it like any other website. So nobody is getting shut out. They're just posting elsewhere, where anyone can read it.

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  • Yeah what the fuck is with that.

    It's a very twitter centric view of the web. If you're not on xitter you're "shutting out a significant portion".

    The thing is, it's not simply that Musk has an ideology that is disparate from my own, he has an agenda that is egregiously contrary to the stated values of the Debian project.

    You'd consult with the community over a new logo or blog layout maybe, but on whether to assist Musk in his far right agenda there's not really any decision to be made honestly.

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    [–] 192 points 2 years ago (6 children)
  • [–] 121 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    They can be found on Mastodon here: @debian@framapiaf.org

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    [–] 114 points 2 years ago

    Good riddance. Stop using Nazi platforms and join the fediverse instead.

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  • [–] 96 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    When it forces you to log in to view stuff, it's usefulness as a platform for announcements is substantially lessened.

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    [–] 93 points 2 years ago (24 children)

    Wild that so many are still hanging out at the Nazi bar

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    Yes, I'm sadly surprised by many open source projects still posting on that cesspool

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    The problem is for organizations it's harder to leave because that is where the people you want to reach are. That's the only reason any org or company is on social media in the first place. If they leave too soon they risk too many people not seeing the things they send out to the community.

    It's more an individual thing because so many people just have social inertia and haven't left since everyone they know is already there. The first to leave have to decide if they want to juggle using another platform to keep connections or cut off connections by abandoning the established platform.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Its that social inertia, and I get it.

    I ran a neighborhood group's social media, and even after FB turned openly shitty, I had to stay on there, because thats where people are.

    I mean, I could have pushed the org to drop them, but then we would have lost the eyeballs of thousands of neighbor's we're trying to work FOR.

    Same deal with Twitter, they've just gotten to the point where most NPOs lose less by leaving than they would by staying.

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    [–] 82 points 2 years ago (32 children)

    Good, now if only OpenSource devs switched from Discord to let's say Matrix/XMPP

    We'd be partying

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  • [–] 57 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    go back to forums. Support in discord is awful. Discord is not as searchable as a forum public on the internet

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Yeah, forums please. I hate the idea of troubleshooting information being locked behind some stupid software we can't easily index and search. Forums can be put on archive.org, you can literally print a page, or save it as a PDF for reviewing later. You can make use of bookmark software like Linkwarden to archive things.

    Discord? Not so much. You can use third party software to scrape it and save information, but no search engine can index it. Community building is great, but I loathe having to trawl through tonnes of blithering blathering conversation BS just to figure out where to find firmware for a particular chip I have is.

    Makes me want to projectile vomit all over the place, throw my computer out the window, and move to convent.

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    [–] 77 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

    shutting out a significant portion of your community without seeking their input first isn't a sensible move for such a foundational open source project.

    Ironic when X shuts out anyone who isn't logged in and shuts out anyone who doesn't pay for a blue checkmark from having visible replies.

    Having an X account isn't consequence-free - if it becomes where updates occur, people have to sign up for an account and subject themselves to nazis everywhere and all manner of crypto spam just to see updates. And they have to pay Elon tribute to be heard in response. It's crazy that anyone sees it as being friendly to users.

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    [–] 70 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    I keep making the incorrect assumption that everyone has already left X. Just seems common sense we've hit all hands abandon ship

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    [–] 69 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    I don't mind, actually everyone should ditch Twatter.

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  • [–] 52 points 2 years ago* (13 children)

    & all the US-based corporate social media… Facebook, Instagram, Threads, WhatsApp, Snapchat, Reddit, Discord, LinkedIn, & GitHub.

    The VC-funded ones too like BlueSky

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  • [–] 66 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I didn't really need another reason to love Debian more but here we are... I'm donating to Debian today

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    [–] 56 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    shutting out a significant portion of your community without seeking their input first isn't a sensible move for such a foundational open source project.

    It actually is a perfectly sensible move, and it doesn't "shut out" anyone. If anything, prioritizing twitter is what shuts users out. They linked to two-three alternatives. What's the argument here, exactly, from the other side?

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    [–] 55 points 2 years ago

    ... Debian was on twitter??

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  • [–] 53 points 2 years ago

    My town’s subreddit just started a policy to disallow links to X for similar reasons.

    There is a movement to avoid the platform.

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  • [–] 48 points 2 years ago

    As it turns out, having an account on a social media platform full of Nazis, violent racists, and child diddlers is not good for business.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    god, the replies to their tweet are awful...

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    This is to me one of the major reasons Twitter discourse is completely ruined and the platform is mostly useless for seeing what people think now.

    When the only people who get to be at the top of discussions are people who pay for twitter, the only opinions that get shared are those that are pro Twitter, pro Elon, etc. Because they have a direct stake in the game.

    And that's if the accounts posting aren't all bots that pay for a checkmark to boost engagement, which is almost all I see when I occasionally have to check Twitter these days.

    So glad more people are leaving it. There's nothing to gain from it anymore.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    It is depressing, but I try not to forget we are seeing a sort of survivorship bias of stupidity on the former Twitter at this point. The cohort of remaining posting accounts is dumber and dumber on average. And this dynamic is magnified in the replies, because they are paid blue accounts at the top. Eg, self-selected losers. (The top account has likely just hidden their checkmark)

    Edit: PS, are you still using Nitter? I thought it had died?

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    [–] 30 points 2 years ago

    This is a great example of where linking to a blog post about an announcement is better than linking to the announcement itself:

    after digging a bit deeper, I discovered that there was originally a longer, more detailed announcement that was later scrapped. I found it in a GitLab commit made by Jean. [Link to GitLab comment in article]

    Good job, itsfoss.com

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago

    Good for them. It's an organisation's free choice to pick the platforms they post and interact on, if any. Their presence is a service in itself while there are plenty of other ways to follow or reach them if needed.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I don't like how people are trying to stir up dissent and drama around this. The message posted is short and on point, it includes all the important bits. There really isn't much more to add.

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    [–] 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Fuck X.com, all my homies use wayland.social

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    The reasoning behind this move is said to be X/Twitter not being in line with Debian's shared values

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Maybe we'll go back to forums.

    I hope BBS's make a comeback. Pixilated titles and all..

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