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European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen outlined the EU’s vision as a global economic leader during the World Economic Forum, contrasting Trump’s "America First" policies.

She highlighted Europe’s advantages, including its large single market, social infrastructure, and commitment to the Paris climate accord, while emphasizing new alliances with Latin America, Africa, and Asia.

Avoiding direct criticism of Trump, von der Leyen underscored the EU’s stability and rules-based approach.

Her speech signaled a pivot away from U.S.-centric relations and a focus on global trade diversification.

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 8 hours ago

Yeah no, Europe is toast. For most of the continent the demographics are terminal. In the US we have a large Millennial and gen Z population that can replace the boomers. Europe doesn’t have that.

People between the ages of 25 to 45 power the economy through consumption because they are trying to establish households and families. They do not have enough young people to support their own industries. Much like China they need export markets like the US where consumption is strong to stay afloat. The US is the only rich market that will be consumption driven for the next 20 or 30 years before our it’s demographics begin to fail.

However, Trump is all bluster, he will back down if he can score some kind of win even if it is small. He can’t start trade wars with most of the world’s major economies without inciting rampant inflation in the US. That’s why he didn’t implement his tariffs on day one of his presidency like he promised. Ignore him or give him something small and he will go away.

Stop giving him attention and taking his words seriously. He is just trying to dominate the news cycle.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

von der Leyen is a hypocrite. Where was the rule-based approach during the genocide in Gaza? She and many EU leaders purposefully ignored the Hague and the Geneva conventions.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Well this has economic and soft power benefits. Standing up against genocide apparently was t beneficial enough.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (5 children)

What's my best bet for emigrating to the EU as a mechanical engineer? I only speak English fluently, used to speak Spanish but never maintained it. Was looking into Sweden but didn't get very far.

Are there any Ukrainian organizations that could arrange transport/visa in exchange for service? I've definitely got the skills to fly/build/design drones and know how to shoot what I aim at, but I'm capable of more than that as well. I would rather contribute to a cause I believe in than have any hand in building a fascist America.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

You're not the first person asking that question.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

For your profession, there should be plenty of companies where English is spoken, irregardless of the country. In my previous company, we had engineers from all over and while English was everyones second language, it was the only common one we had so that was spoken. I'd first try to choose a country you like or where immigration is easy and focus on finding employment there.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Germany always needs engineers, and a lot of companies use English as a main language. So far it's very easy for an American to get a visa, as long as have a job, and the jov market is very active

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Germany would be pretty excellent actually, the part of Wisconsin I grew up in has a long German heritage. I did look into it, but my German ancestors came over in the 1850s which appeared to disqualify me from automatic citizenship. Are there websites or recruiting companies that specialize in finding jobs in the EU for foreigners? Thank you!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would say try finding a job that sponsors a visa.

It's quite hard to move between EU countries nowadays even if you are a citizen, there is a lot of nationalistic sentiment going on and if you only speak English, companies in a bunch of countries will straight out say no, even if they would sponsor you.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, this is what I've heard. I'm absolutely willing to learn a new language, but understand that 'willing to learn' and 'already knows' are two different things. Do you know of any websites that aggregate job postings with visa sponsorships?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd be a much happier person if I knew any.

Most job posting websites are inundated with crap postings, it's hard enough to find a job posting that has an actual job behind it, and not just some shitty HR company collecting data. And the market is in a downturn, some of those people laid off in a wave are still looking for jobs.

Don't get me wrong, I hope for the best for you, and I hope you get to make the move, it's just that I had a very recent, very bad experience with the whole thing.

All I can say is that job postings vary by country, it's like social media, one country is all Linkedin, the next one will go all on Indeed, some places will have their own platforms... try researching a specific country.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, that's what I've found so far as well, mostly crap postings (though frankly it feels little different in the US). I've had Sweden in mind for awhile, have done some digging and have the Pimsleur Swedish course downloading. Found an email for an aerospace professor with research in my field of interest but haven't reached out yet. Did reach out to a former professor/research lead to pick his brain about emigrating in general this morning but haven't heard back yet.

Frankly though, the career, mission, dream I was striving for is in the hands of a manchild throwing fascist salutes at the US presidential inauguration and that pisses me the fuck off. I'm trained as an engineer but am not opposed to wearing multiple hats, Ukraine looks like it could use a hand and I'm all about mutual aid.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Things are bad here too. As a US citizen you will be paying tax twice if you work here, you'll never quite fully feel at home for about 8 years, and (most importantly) you'll miss the cultural banter you grew up with.

US isn't a country, it's practically a continent. There are plenty of places to knuckle through the next few years, but I'm telling you now - Europe isn't the safe haven you think it is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

If you work in a country the US considers friendly then you can deduct some large amount from your foreign salary before you pay taxes to be the US (like $90k or so?). If you make more than that you can deduct the foreign taxes paid from the remainder. Since taxes are higher in most European countries, you don't end up paying tax twice (Switzerland has lower taxes I think, and maybe others).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not looking for a safe haven; did the Ukraine question not make that clear? I am looking to contribute my mental labor to a country with a functioning social contract. I put a lot of time and work into this degree to escape the anti-intellectualism of rural Midwest USA, but it appears the anti-intellectualism made it out before I did so now I must look further afield.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I hope you find what you're looking for then

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

To be honest I'm N Irish and we voted against Brexit but are deemed irrelevant due to England. But yeah it absolutely pisses me off to see the English politicians sucking Trump off when we would have been way better off not just being morons and staying in the EU.

Its infuriating to see the UK falling apart when every country except England voted against Brexit but somehow their vote counts double or something.

UK is a wreck and we should just start from scratch and also I can't see America as anything but an enemy right now (they are obviously siding with both Russia and Israel) both sides I disagree with honestly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

Do you think N Ireland could split away from the UK because of this?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Englishman here. I can only apologise for the sheer stupidity of my fellow countrymen. Brexit was such an own fucking goal and the morons will never admit it. If Cameron really had to put it to a vote he could have required a super-majority on account of how economically devastating leaving would be. But no, a slim majority is good enough to fuck over us all for generations to come.

And Trump. Good god. The country that sells itself as a beacon of democracy has happily voted in a crook. Someone who fomented an insurrection attempt, hid top secret documents in his shower while foreign agents roamed freely around and lied about it! Like, actual treason. But I'm not sure what's worse, the orange shit head or the people and system that not only have allowed him to get away with it all but have actually fucking promoted it. Fucking depressing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Its infuriating to see the UK falling apart when every country except England voted against Brexit

Wales also voted in favour of Brexit.

but somehow their vote counts double or something.

Englands population is significantly higher than the rest combined, so it's hardly surprising. I think Yorkshire alone has more than double the population of Northern Ireland.

Agree with everything else you said though. Hopefully we get to see the day when we get to re-join again!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Also adding my English condolences, can't agree with you strongly enough. UK is fucked, need to emigrate

[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

We have options. They aren't all pleasant options, nor am I advocating them. But we have options.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I wish about half of us weren’t smoothbrain fuckwits.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The US is not statistically very different from the rest of the world.

The oligarchs want us divided. And have been working on it for decades. Blame them, not your neighbor, even if your neighbor is a smooth brain fuckwit.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

I’m fully aware of the oligarchs, and blame them for being oligarchs. And by the same fucking token, I blame my smoothbrain neighbors for being smoothbrains. The latter doesn’t get a pass if they enthusiastically vote in favor of the oligarchs. Both get their respective blame.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Blame them both for different but still similarly terrible things. Fucking morons don't escape culpability because they refuse to acknowledge how fucking dumb they are.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Some parts of the culture are smoothbrained. Diversity is things like 'black white latino asian' whereas in more wrinklybrained cultures it's more like 'somali finnish trini chilean thai'. Economics is freedom vs communism instead of reality etc. And geography, well, good luck.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Two thirds, you mean.

You gotta count the authoritarian followers and the ones top stupid to vote at all.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Just imagine if we take her by her word and really strengthen our economical relationship with Africa. That is a huge market with huge possibilities. Africa could easily replace China as a manufacturing powerhouse. If we could somehow shake off the colonial baggage and work together, America could go packing!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Africa has a number of factors in its favor that make it a potential economic powerhouse. It has some of the largest natural resource reserves in the world, it has a huge population, it's conveniently located on or near several important trade routes.

It's also cursed with some pretty bad natural infrastructure. The rivers in Africa don't provide good access between the center of the continent and the coasts.

China had about the same GDP a Sub-Saharan Africa in the early 1990's https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?end=1996&locations=CN-ZG&most_recent_value_desc=true&start=1960 It's taken China 35 years to get from there to it's current spot as 2nd largest economy in the world. And that was for an economy that was growing at nearly 2x the rate of the rest of the world for most of that period. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locations=CN-1W

That's not to say that Africa can't become an economic powerhouse but it will take a lot of work and time. It would take sustained investment and reinvestment in Africa over several decades.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Africa could easily replace China as a manufacturing powerhouse.

If we could somehow shake off the colonial baggage

They're the same thing.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In principle, I agree. However, in detail there are the same issues and more as when everything was outsourced to China:

  • While there are stable and democratic states in Africa, a lot of the resources for manufacturing ~~might~~ will come from not so stable parts. I am looking at Congo as an example in particular.
  • If you think about it, it is Colonialism 2.0: Cheap labourers turning basic resources into goods that are too expensive for them to buy themselves, which in return are sold for cheap in relation to local production costs in other countries.
  • Exporting the environmentally harmful jobs elsewhere makes us look good on paper, but has drastic consequences for locals.

While China has until recently and to a significant extent been able to turn the second point around, the environment is where this whole plan might come apart before it even can be put into practice: The African continent is possibly most directly impacted by climate change. In the past, present and future. Don't get me wrong: We are all going to suffer. But the African combination of geolocation and political and social stability is a powder keg.

Don't get me wrong, I do not want to leave Africa and its people in the dust. If we can build a relationship on a basis of mutual trust and long-term benefit, let's go for it. However, I am highly sceptical that in our current political climate the EU and its countries or, let alone companies, would be going to invest more than the absolute minimum to get any form of production going. And investing the absolute minimum to extract the most benefit equals colonialism 2.0.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

while all that is fairly true, competition usually leads to better outcomes across the board. i think that alternatives rather than replacements is the idea, and spreading those opportunities across the globe will probably be beneficial in the long-run

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

That is a huge market with huge possibilities. Africa could easily replace China as a manufacturing powerhouse.

And China knows it, which is why "belt and road" is a thing.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Man, if only you had decided on this before the US elected a giant orange wannabe-fascist... for the second time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, but you have to consider that the alternative was a woman of colour. They had no other choice, really, they had to vote for a fascist.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

the EU’s stability and rules-based approach.

Great, but countries violating their own ICC laws to host netenyahu, promising him they wont apprehend him for war crimes is not a "rules-based approach" at all.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Also violating their own anti genocide agreements by supporting Israeli proven genocide by several third parties at this point. I guess it's rules based approach when it's convenient and when it's not, we'll just ignore those rules.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

You will notice that only countries which have to suck up to the USA (for reasons) did the Bibi thing.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

Pan-continentality is nice

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Seems like that flag breaks a commandment or two. But I don't expect anyone to have actually read the damned things

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I sure fucking hope we do.

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