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[+] 232 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (25 children)
  • [–] 115 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    They killed Splatoon's grassroots Esport community thanks to them making a quick buck with splatoon 3, that promised a bunch of network functionality improvements that never materialized.

    So now, a game that used to have multiple small but growing international tournaments now has nothing. Hell, they used to have tournaments on the main stage at PAX East.

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  • [–] 72 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    They've been shutting down Smash Bros tournaments as well.

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  • [–] 58 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    How they treated professional Melee and especially Project M was the moment I realized Nintendo was just another out-of-touch company. So many indie devs would kill for fans that passionate, let alone a modding scene that robust. Nintendo threw it all away.

    Edit: and that ignores the graveyard of fan games Nintendo has killed. AM2R, Pokémon Uranium...

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I never understood why they abandoned Splatoon 2. Like, I get that they have a new game, and that's great, I guess.....but why not support Splatoon 2 until Switch 2 comes out? I never bought the splatoon 3, because I JUST bought splatoon 2 like 2-3 years prior when it came out. You NEED online to play that game.

    So you're paying $59.99 for the game, and then $20 a year for online. All for a game that exists in a time bubble. Once it's time for the next game, fuck you. Buy the new game. Your old game means nothing.

    Well fuck you too Nintendo. I'll just not buy Splatoon 3, and not pay for online anymore. How about that?

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  • [–] 78 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I don't think people remember, but there was a time when no twitch streamer or youtuber would play Nintendo games because they fucking take down their streams for copyright infringement.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Folks pointing out GCN/Wii internet abilities are missing that the experience was awful. Like sure, the guts of broadband were there, but actually playing a game with friends online was way more trouble than it was worth.

    So to your point, real online gaming was indeed way behind other consoles (IMHO).

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I'm pretty sure the switch didn't support Bluetooth connectivity for years until they finally decided to enable it just after I bought one.

    That is the action of a company either incredibly incompetent, or that was hoping to exploit it for financial gain.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Nintendo is competent at exactly 1 thing - designing great video games.

    They are run by the equivalent of dwarven master blacksmiths... They're one of the few gaming companies with employees on staff with more than 40 years experience of game dev (and whom have ONLY ever worked at Nintendo their entire careers) in charge of things.

    That's great if you like Zelda and Mario games... but because they're run by a bunch of old-school grandpas... they're not good at much else.

    Terrible store, multiplayer, ancillary modern network-driven services like voice chat and partying up, little to no 3rd-party support (whether it's games, media apps, or even tech integrations with formats like Dolby ATMOS), and - as a benefit - really terrible device security so it's usually pretty easy for folks to reverse engineer, run custom boot-loaders / jailbreak / scrape their store servers / etc. - stuff that companies like Sony and Microsoft either never had issues with - or have taken seriously long enough that they have locked down.

    The only reason they're still in business is that they still do the one thing that matters most the best - design really great game-play mechanics for IP that is beloved by multiple generations of gamers who will overlook everything else.

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    [–] 138 points 2 years ago (21 children)
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    [–] 90 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You don't say, Nintendo. Pretty sure they're also using open source emulators, from the developers they really hate, to run their older titles.

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    [–] 88 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    So the lawyer says that Nintendo, despite knowing that the emulators themselves are legal, has unlawfully caused take downs and reputational damage. Sounds kind of illegal

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Not really. It sounds like they haven't gone after them for emulation, but instead for emulation-adjacent things: copying ROMs, circumventing digital locks, etc.

    They explicitly mention (one of?) the developers of Yuzu sharing ROMs in the article.

    In other words, the emulator itself isn't illegal, but in order to use the emulator the way most people want, you have to do illegal things, and that's what they go after you for.

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  • [–] 77 points 2 years ago (54 children)
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    [–] 67 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    The top IP lawyer at Nintendo agreed that emulators are technically legal at a panel for intellectual property rights.

    They run afoul of the law when they bypass encryption, recreate copyrighted programs, or point users to pirated material.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Yes, this wasn't an admission because it's a well-known fact that is not inconsistent with Nintendo's earlier actions. The headline is deceptive and people don't read the article. The article itself contains no new information and it is only worth reading for someone who has been deceived by the headline and needs to be set straight by the same people who wrote the deceptive headline. It's click bait that shouldn't exist.

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    [–] 55 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    There's nothing new in this article. And I don't think Nintendo ever said that emulation is illegal, just emulating their games is, which technically is true to some part at least in the United States, where sometimes you need to circumvent some security measures to get games emulated which is a forbidden (this is mentioned in the article).

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yea, if I recall correctly, the Yuzu team was sharing roms of latest Nintendo releases internally and Nintendo was able to prove it. At least Jeff Gerstman podcast suggested something to that accord when reporting on it.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    Yeah and the Yuzu people had made something like 4 million bucks on the project too. When you start making serious cash off of tools for piracy (and when we're talking about a current-gen console that's essentially what it is, not a tool for preservation like older emulators) then you should expect some heat to come your way.

    Nintendo has always been a bit on the bastardly side of things when it comes to fan projects but I can't say that I blame them for going after Yuzu when they felt like they had a winnable case.

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    [–] 46 points 2 years ago

    Nintendo lost my business long ago nothing they make or say will get me to buy another Nintendo product

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Needless to say I will not be buying a Switch 2 today.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I imagine the steam deck will be capable of emulating switch 2 titles nearly immediately, so there’s little reason to buy it. They really need to make their hardware comparable to their software (minus the notoriously awful Japan™ netcode)

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    [–] 26 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    I prefer my nintendont 2 (aka steam deck). Fuck Nintendo bastards and taking down all cool emulator free software projects.

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    [–] 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    we know emulation is legal, but we're still going to legally have a legal reason to take y'all emulators to court angry face

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    See also: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation

    Strategic lawsuits against public participation (also known as SLAPP suits or intimidation lawsuits), or strategic litigation against public participation, are lawsuits intended to censor, intimidate, and silence critics by burdening them with the cost of a legal defense until they abandon their criticism or opposition

    There are many, many variants. The idea is the smaller player can't really afford to fight in court, so even if the larger actor has shaky legal claims they will still win.

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    [–] 19 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Nintendo needs to burn. The fact they can just shut down whatever they want is disgusting and needs to be stopped.

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    [–] 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    So when they shut down Ryujinx and Yuzu, was it basically "Stop running this emulator or we will ruin your lives with legal bills"?

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    [–] 19 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    With the Switch 2 announcement, it's kind of clear that they aren't even trying to be a tech company anymore. While not every last one of their consoles released was a true innovation, it did feel like something that was built into part of their brand. Now we just have the Switch 2 which is mostly what you'd expect with some decent QoL upgrades.

    Nintendo is pursuing the walled garden approach. You're barely even buying a console anymore, a lot of this hardware has more or less converged. What you're buying is access to the cultivated ecosystem. Like everything else these days, they entice you in with the big, recognizable brands and hope there's enough else to keep you there. Emulators straight pierce that veil and it's why they went so hard on them.

    I'm not criticizing (too heavily) the people that choose to hold on to the franchises they love, but once you step outside and choose alternatives, there's very little to bring you back. Pokemon lost me a few gens ago, honestly not the biggest Zelda fan, and Mario alone won't do it for me. Metroid and Starfox are scattershot ... Personally I'll stick with the Steam Deck and wait for Switch 2 emulation to roll around. And if it doesn't, there are just so many other games to play these days.

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    [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    "please buy our new switch"

    nah, i m good.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    Fuck Nintendo!!!

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    What bugs me is i thought it was cause of the switch 2 pending, but turns out the switch 2 won't be fully backwards compatible

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