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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The head of the investigation, Risto Lohi of the National Bureau of Investigation, told Reuters the vessel was threatening to cut a second power cable, Estlink1, and the BalticConnector gas pipe between Finland and Estonia at the time it was seized.

"Lohi" is Finnish for "salmon". That's right. Inspector Salmon is in charge of this investigation. Thankyou, Finland.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

This Lovely Bones sequel is weird

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They are russian flagged vessels right? What does that mean in terms of ability to do things about them?

I assume you can't legally just board/sink them, even with cause?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They are russian flagged vessels right?

No, this specific ship is registered in the Cook Islands.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

As are many I believe? Like how most US companies incorporate in Delaware I think it's for tax reasons.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Under UNCLOS at least, a country can board a ship within its territorial waters to investigate a crime "if the consequences of the crime extend to the coastal State" (and some other reasons). Sinking it is almost certainly illegal, but it's an unarmed ship and Finland has marines so I can't imagine that they'd have much trouble boarding it if they wanted to

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

The boat was caught on international waters without an anchor when the event happened. The Coast guard asked it kindly to move into Finnish waters where the police boarded the boat with the border guard giving a chopper ride.

No marine equivalents were actually needed which has the benefit of the apprehension not being a military action which could've easily been made escalatory in propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Ty, I was expecting them to be russian flagged to 'dare' NATO to mess with them as an excuse to do... Something

[–] [email protected] 115 points 1 day ago (3 children)

At this point it's literally a war crime. Claim denial and accidents all they wanted before, but if the sailors are outright acknowledging it was intentional to attack civilian infrastructure, it's by definition a war crime

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949?activeTab=1949GCs-APs-and-commentaries

[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 day ago (1 children)

War crimes don't matter anymore. Russia does them, Israel does them, the US does them. There is no justice.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Does Germany do them any more? How about Ireland?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Germany has supported Israel with weapons whilst knowing they were committing a Genocide, so the answer for Germany is probably "Yes", at least as an accomplice.

The answer for the Republic Of Ireland is as far as I know "No".

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Sounds to me like war crimes are still a pretty good way to determine who the good guys are, then.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Russia has been using the list of war crimes as a checklist of things to do for 3 years

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Much, much longer than that. But yes, they picked up the pace again in recent years.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Nah. You have just been paying attention for three years.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Steal some of the oil. Replace it at correct stoichiometric ratio with ammonium nitrate or some other powerful oxidiser. Attach a detonator and tracking device to the ship. Don't tell the crew. Let the crew go free. When the ship reaches its destination, detonate. Halifax explosion, round two.

Fuck you, whoever would buy Russian oil.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

I should maybe add that I don't think this is actually a good idea. I can just see that it's scientifically possible, and I enjoy constructing scenarios like this.

But to those who are riding Putin's dick, just know that these are the things the West could do, but chooses not to. And the fuck you to all buyers of Russian oil still stands. I don't care how poor they are.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You realize that a lot of Russian oil gets "laundered" and then imported to the EU? So you would likely blow up an EU port, which is like a double Christmas and birthday gift to Putin.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It would probably blow up the port doing the laundering, which is unlikely to be happening in the EU.

But it would even more likely blow up an Indian or Chinese port.

It doesn't matter. Like I said, I think this is a really bad idea. Mainly because it is collective punishment, and almost all of the thousands of victims would have had nothing to do with their corporations' and their governments' decision to buy that oil.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

They also pump oil from ship to ship while at sea. It is said that this ship in particular also was involved in such maneuvers, which of course are highly dangerous and can easily result in oil spilled.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 hours ago

Last year I read that Italian oil refineries were refining Russian oil. Anything for a profit for some businesses.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 day ago (19 children)

Hang the captain and first mate, take the oil, sink the ship. This is how we've always dealt with pirates.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Scrap the ship, don't sink it. We have more than enough waste on the bottom of the various oceans and seas as is.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (4 children)

You can responsibly strip and scuttle large vessels to help facilitate reef development

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They use end of life ships for this shenanigans anyway. They are essentially already scrap.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

This is normal for russian navy as even their flagships are in a state a civilized nation would consider "scrap".

Moscow didn't even know it was being sunk since its systems were in such disrepair.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Aim it at the port of St Petersburg and put it on full power. Let them deal with it

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

In some civilized parts of the world, we've renounced death penalty some time ago and only the far-right wants it back.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago

Lock them up.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I wonder if NATO is going to try and enforce a blockade where any ship travelling through the area of cables must be escorted.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

I hope so. And bill the “ghost fleet” for any costs.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Pay them to sabotage the infrastructure of Russia and its allies. Plainly all this crew wants is money.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ah yes that's it. Steal the oil, sell it, and use the proceeds to pay the crew to sabotage Russia and its allies.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The oil doesn't even cover the damages so I'm not sure that's the best way to use that money

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