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[–] 149 points 2 years ago (56 children)

Carbon steel or cast iron all the way.

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  • [–] 57 points 2 years ago (22 children)

    Stainless steel! Neither of those is something you want to use to simmer a tomato sauce.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (16 children)

    Why's that? I've never owned any of the 3, all pans have been some form of nonstick.

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  • [–] 75 points 2 years ago* (14 children)

    Carbon steel and cast iron cookware have reactive metal surfaces that will rust if left exposed to moisture and air, especially when heated. To use these materials of cookware you need to season them which involves washing the surface clean and applying a very thin layer of oil which you then heat up to a high temperature (usually past the smoke point, but not strictly necessary).

    The heating of oil in contact with the metal causes the oil molecules to polymerize and bond to the metal surface. Done properly, this gives your cast iron and carbon steel cookware a smooth, glassy, slightly brown protective polymer layer which prevents rust and helps foods release (though not as well as nonstick pans). The seasoning process can be repeated as many times as you like and it builds up more and more layers which darken over time. A well seasoned piece of cast iron or carbon steel cookware will look shiny and jet black, though this is not necessary for cooking.

    The downside of these materials is that acidic or basic foods can damage the polymer layer and dissolve it right off the pan with enough heat and cooking time. Tomato sauce is a classic example of an acidic food that will eat away at the seasoning of a cast iron or carbon steel pan. A well seasoned pan can still be used to cook a tomato sauce, but not one you plan to be simmering for hours and hours (like some Sunday meat sauce like you’d see in Goodfellas).

    Stainless steel (as well as enameled or porcelain coated) cookware is nonreactive so you can use it to cook acidic or basic foods no problem!

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Ohh right, I didn't think about how acidic tomatoes are. I love tomatoes, but some of the people around me get absolutely horrible stomach pains apparently.

    Anyway, we make tomato based sauces at home, but never have we simmered anything for several hours like that cooking scene in Goodfellas. Should I? Would it be significantly better?

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (19 children)

    Available at a thrift store near you, with no carbon cost!

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Buying thrift store cast iron is risky, it may have been used to melt lead.

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  • A bit ironic that a group labeling themselves the "Cookware Sustainability Alliance" is fighting to continue making unsustainable cookware.

    Both the fact that they have a voice that influences politicians more than their actual voters and that they're allowed to call themselves that name is really a perfect representation of society.

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    [–] 121 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    GenX was basically told that "Teflon is inert, it can't hurt you."

    Well fuck me.

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  • [–] 84 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It is chemically inert. It just becomes a problem when you physically abrade it into billions of microparticles that become embedded in your tissues...

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (1 child)
  • Likely, if we’re being honest.

    Health agencies haven’t done that much investigation (wheeeee regulatory capture) into wtf microplastics do in nuance to all of our various biological systems, but we do know that microplastics basically pervade everything at every level of the food chain at this point. So it’s more about answering the question of “how much did we fuck ourselves” now.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Has there been any evidence to point out that PFTE is not inert?

    This article seems to be about the production of PFTE, which is well-known to be quite harmful, but the end product is as far as I know not unsafe to use.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Some, yes. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-02/is-non-stick-cookware-safe/104160814 Heating pans too hot can partially release harmful chemicals. There's not enough study on ingesting the particles from scraping a pan. I quit using them over a decade ago and replaced them with cast iron. It's a different way of cooking but once you learn works really well.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    That article basically confirms my understanding of the safety implications of PTFE. Don't overheat, and discard once flaking, but ingesting flakes is unlikely to be harmful.

    I've started favouring other types of cookware as well - my personal favourite is enameled cast iron - but I'm really not keen on using neither cast iron nor carbon steel. I feel like proponents downplay the increased maintenance that comes with that type of cookware.

    I do have one ceramic non-stick pan that is pretty good, but once it goes bad I'm probably going to try to find an enameled cast iron replacement for it.

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  • [–] 103 points 2 years ago (62 children)

    Keep in mind that nonstick cookware is still very safe when handled correctly. The problem lies in the manufacturing of these needed chemicals. When these chemicals get into the environment, because of improper safety management, it will stay there for hundreds of years, taking it's toll on flora and fauna.

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  • [–] 55 points 2 years ago (19 children)

    very safe when handled correctly

    Too many people are not educated about that.

    The problem lies in the manufacturing of these needed chemicals. When these chemicals get into the environment, because of improper safety managemen

    Which is one of the reasons for that law, see:

    Dubbed "Amara's Law" after 20-year-old cancer victim Amara Strande, who in 2023 succumbed to a rare type of liver cancer linked to PFAS after growing up near a Minnesota-based 3M plant that dumped them into the local water supply, the new regulation bans the chemicals and any items made with them from being sold within the state.

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    [–] 98 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Capitalists furious at suggestion they value human life over money

    ftfy

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    [–] 80 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    What a ridiculous world we live in. The board members should be facing prison sentences, the company's liquidated and the money back to the people.

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  • [–] 59 points 2 years ago* (14 children)

    How about the suggestions that they are selling a product that should last for several lifetimes but instead lasts for 5 years if you treat it very well?

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    [–] 55 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Just use cast iron and stainless steel. I don't own anything else.

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  • [–] 52 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    I hate how we allowed these ghouls to make the word "nonstick" synonymous with teflon/PFAS. It makes it sound like if you use a regular pan, you constantly have to scrape off burnt food or something. That's just not true, a well-seasoned regular pan can be just as "nonstick" as one with a PFAS coating. It's a fake non-problem that was invented to sell this garbage that poisons us and the environment. If it was up to me, the executives at dupont and anyone else responsible for this psyop would be sent off to labor camps (with humane working conditions of course)

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    [–] 18 points 2 years ago (29 children)

    Is it really that bad? Sure it might be linked to cancer but so are lots of other things.

    I personally just use normal cookware plus some vision stuff. All you need to do is salute some onions ahead of adding other things. The juice from the onions acts as a natural non stick.

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    [–] 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Never really had any issue with Teflon (and Teflon substitute) pans, but I've been impressed with the non-stickiness of my dirt cheap "ceramic" wok.

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