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What it says on the tin, really. I think this is going to be an issue when they get around to the smaller communities... It's going to suck majorly, as most people's default will remain with reddit for community discussion like this...

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The "sacking" of the current moderator volunteers that I've seen in some news articles this morning leads me to the next step, which is if a moderator can be tossed, that's a chilling effect for the next moderator and then, all the people who remain subscribed to that subreddit. I don't know if that will actually happen this way, it will at least be a fascinating exploration to see how this all unfolds. Someone on Mastodon mentioned that Reddit makes no content of their own, it's all volunteers, the public, and their 3rd-party toolset. That they are burning all of it and maintaining that everything will be fine in the end. Smells a lot like bravado and big-talk.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Oh, reddit will survive, it'll just be even shittier than before. And maybe it'll bounce back to somewhere close to what it was, but in the meantime, there's now a growing viable alternative.

My recommendation for anyone who decides to visit reddit adopt a comment signature promoting startrek.website along with a link to a new user tutorial and a quick explanation of why we left. Keep picking them off and make our existence common knowledge over there.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think this is a important take - as far as users are concerned Reddit merely hosts the content and the community, but as far as Reddit is concerned it owns the content and wants to monetise the community.

The problem for Reddit is the moderation is done by users who do it for free, mostly because they love their communities and want to keep them going. Those people are not easy to replace - plenty of communities shut because no one wanted to moderate them, and plenty of users just aren't interested. So if they lose the moderators, there is a small pool of people to replace them and many of those may not be motivated in the same way. There will also be bad actors amongst those untested moderators.

Lose the moderators, and the communities fall apart as bad content, rule breaking and negative behaviour takes hold. The "content" becomes lost and the value of what reddit things it owns falls massively. An archive of old reddit comments is actually not worth much - sure people google things and find answers on Reddit - but it's the current active users and daily content that draws people in.

I think Reddit is doomed as it is failing to understand it's own business and what made the site successful.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yup. An opinion writer in the Washington Post had a weird analogy yesterday, but it works — Reddit’s business model is almost the same as a thrift store’s. People donate stuff (clothes and furniture to Goodwill, analysis and humor to Reddit). Volunteers sort through it and throw out the bad stuff (volunteers at Goodwill, moderators at Reddit). And the business sells it (Reddit has one extra step here in that it sells ads, so it uses the donated-and-sorted stuff to build an audience to sell).

If the donators and the sorters walk, what do they have to sell?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That opinion peace helped me to understand what was different about this situation vs Twitter. The business model at Twitter is different. Twitter didn't require communities with tremendous user investment to create a community, and by not realizing community was the differentiating aspect of Reddit, they didn't understand how passionate people would be.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That's a good analogy, makes it easier to communicate Reddit's business model and how messed up they are right now. Thanks for sharing!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I read a pretty great write up on Mother Jones about the inevitable enshittification of reddit. Seems like all social media sites are doomed to turn into hot garbage eventually.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Splinter the community, I'm going to stay with the people who went through the mess of setting up a new place that isn't beholden to Reddit. It may be forever smaller, but of the 600,000 subscribers, how many of them contribute?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It may be forever smaller

I would honestly consider this a feature, not a bug.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Most social media runs by the 90/9/1 rule. 90% of users lurk, 9% of users post, 1% of users produce content.

I'm hoping that this house cleaning changes those numbers up some.

I know that a lot of people are afraid to post. They may not believe that they have anything interesting to say. And they may not trust their ability to write coherently. Some of you folks are intimidatingly good at writing insightful posts and making it understandable to everybody.

Maybe with a smaller community we can encourage more people to take part and, paradoxically, become more diverse.

I'd also like to encourage everybody to attempt to post something interesting. A pet theory. A reinterpretation of a scene. It doesn't really matter. You can only get better by doing and we all benefit from new ideas. Don't be afraid to sound like a fool. It's kinda my default state and I'm still here.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wasn't there a thread on r/startrek today about them deciding to reopen? I was surprised by how many users were pretty angry about it having been closed, tbh. I felt really good about the decision to close, even before I joined Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know. I haven't been back since the day the move was announced. So if they have decided to reopen, be it old mods or not, all the power to them. I don't care any more.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (10 children)

The impression I got was that some mods have left and/because the remaining mods have decided to reopen. Honestly the thread was a bit depressing, lots of "it's their platform, they can do what they like" and "who cares, it doesn't affect me". :/

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (22 children)

Open it back up and change the rules to only allow pictures of starships, encourage discussion's over here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All pictures, videos, and discussion must have John Oliver in them somewhere.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All pictures and videos must be deep fake John Oliver in Star Trek

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I'm loving the malicious compliance arch

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Most likely, they'll make a way for people to take over subreddits that went private and have no activity for a while, if there isn't one already. r/StarTrek might get special treatment, or it might just be shunted over into a new general policy like this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It looks like it is (not surprisingly) already starting to be considered. https://www.macrumors.com/2023/06/15/reddit-threatens-to-remove-subreddit-moderators/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They do that, and r/startrek dies. It'll be a hellscape and nobody will want to go there anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They are probably currently interviewing Paramount employees for the mod position.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a completely empty threat. Do you think Reddit is capable of replacing the whole moderation teams of 5000+ subreddits in a couple weeks? NO they aren't. Which is exactly why /u/jailbaitlover i mean /u/spez is trying to get singular mods to cross the line so they can boot the rest and put all the moderation on their new scab.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Probably. There's nothing said about how active the moderators have to be, and there are a few who would happily claim the role, even if they aren't going to do anything with it, except to step in when other mods do something they dislike (since Reddit's mod privilege system is hierarchical, higher mods outright lower ones, and can remove them if desired). /r/Tumblr basically had that problem, with the only recently active mod being kicked off by both Reddit, and one of the higher moderators, who opened the sub back up (its back private now, citing a "disinformation campaign", so the users probably rioted, given the support for a shut down). There's a suggestion that it was a Reddit scab who suddenly became active, and booted said mod, but that could be either rumour or fact, since there's not a lot of supporting evidence in either direction, except that said user is not on the site, nor moderator on /r/tumblr any longer.

Reddit does have an issue with "power mods", where a user will just collect moderation roles in subreddits, so there are a few who would probably just add a few new subs to the list.

What happens afterwards probably depends on the user base. While they could probably try and silence dissent, no few people can handle multiple riots going across multiple subs they moderate.

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