So these comments are mine but if you go to the site the artist comments on the strip. Not all the time but definitely more frequently in the last few years over early on. This is sorta a common shtick I see where the progressive ideals are secretly for personal greedy reasons. I always love it. It is funny because I do see progressive causes from a greedy perspective. I would like all the people I interact with as I move through society to be educated and healthy. I like public spaces. I like well maintained infrastructure. and I'm not afraid to pay taxes for it, provided taxes are collected progressively. People should be able to make a decent wage.
This message isn't directed strictly at you, OP, it's just an argument I find myself repeating and it aligns with what you're saying.
Social security, job security, livable wages, class solidarity and affordable universal healthcare are all very much self-serving goals. Even if you care nothing about the poor, the sick, the unemployed or anyone else, the security and benefits you gain from socialised bargaining power will most likely benefit you.
Unless you're born rich enough that none of these things matter to you, you'll probably never ascend into that class either. Hard work alone doesn't get you wealthy any more, it just makes you a more exploitable slave.
If you want a better life, progressive economic ideals are the best wagon you can jump on. Forget about religion, immigrants, race, trans bathrooms and all that - we can sort that out separately, but economic policy at least will unambiguously serve you too.
Note on the last bit: I expect that improving material conditions will lower the resistance to improvement of social conditions too and rob bigotry of much of its fuel.
Liberals saying they support unions and strikes, and then complaining about strikes interrupting commerce and shipping for their own entitled reasons is such a liberal thing to do. They don’t seem to realize that they’re falling for the propaganda traps that are present to try to prevent further support for unionization.
Edit: lol I’ve angered the liberal hive mind. It might be time for some of y’all to read up on the characteristics of classical liberalism and maybe Combat Liberalism instead of feeling attacked and proving my point.
Okay so we're talking about the difference between "All squares are rectangles" and "Not all rectangles are squares."
What you initially said, and what I offered a "conservative/Nazi" counterpoint to, is "Rectangles doing square things is such a rectangle thing to do," when most rectangles are not squares.
It’s not a strawman if you’ve actually witnessed it. Those types of ultralibs aren’t well liked even in liberal circles, and they are a rarity. But seeing them crop up and contort themselves into pretzels is amusing.
No, no, no. You don't get to pretend that what you originally said was something else entirely.
Liberals saying they support unions and strikes, and then complaining about strikes interrupting commerce and shipping for their own entitled reasons is such a liberal thing to do.
Those types of ultralibs aren’t well liked even in liberal circles, and they are a rarity.
Your first comment was a blanket statement. Your second comment tried to walk that back into a very specific statement. Those are two entirely different things, and your pretending they aren't instead of admitting you were wrong in the first case is telling.
I mean… that is a very liberal thing to do. I wasn’t saying every liberal is like that. I’m saying that kind of behavior falls in line with liberalism.
So would you say that the statement "Conservatives marching down the street carrying Nazi flags is such a conservative thing to do" is substantially true or substantially false?
Maybe a better distinction would be "accurate or misleading".
If a 100% of Nazis are historically conservative or conservative-adjacent, it is a conservative thing to do. That’s not stating all conservatives are automatically Nazis. In this case though, I’d probably just say it’s a very Nazi thing to do.
Okay so we're talking about the difference between "All squares are rectangles" and "Not all rectangles are squares."
What you initially said, and what I offered a "conservative/Nazi" counterpoint to, is "Rectangles doing square things is such a rectangle thing to do," when most rectangles are not squares.
Well. That’s one way to announce you don’t know any liberals. None of the ones I know are worried about getting late packages due to these strikes, but then most all of them try to support non-shitty businesses anyway.
Or maybe you just can’t lump everyone together in neat little groups.
You understand the person they were replying to used their own anecdotal observation to characterize liberals in general, right? They were providing counterexamples.
Some liberals are just more pedantic than others. Most of them are not like that and any time I see them crop up in chats I’m part of, they get scolded by basically everyone. They are the rare ultralibs that have a high level of entitlement.
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