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submitted 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

Summary

Tesla’s European market share is declining sharply, with EU registrations dropping 40.9% in November 2024 compared to last year, and year-to-date registrations down 15.2%.

Including the UK and EFTA, Tesla’s registrations fell 13.7% this year.

The drop stems from reduced government EV incentives and growing dissatisfaction with CEO Elon Musk.

Despite Tesla’s decline, overall EV registrations in Europe have remained stable as competing automakers gain ground. Tesla remains the largest EV producer in Europe but faces growing pressure from rivals capitalizing on its waning dominance.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (3 children)

other automakers have stepped up to try and fill the gap left by Tesla,

Absolutely, IMO VW group has made a stellar job with the MEB platform, and are selling very good Electric cars at competitive prices.
VW group has of course the VW ID series, Skoda Enyaq and Elroq, Cupra Tavascan and Born, Audi E-Tron 4-6-8, Porsche Taycan.

This is a very impressive lineup IMO. And generally they have lower noise and better driving comfort than Tesla. Allegedly drive assist systems are way better than Tesla. No sudden phantom breaking, and no weird warnings about traffic that is completely irrelevant. Common for all is that they are all very good cars, without the weirdness of a Tesla. VW group has about 14 distinct models, so you have way better chance of finding a perfect fit than with Tesla.

Apart from that, if you don't give a shit politically, we also have some decent Chinese options. Xpeng is very attractive IMO.

The best selling EV here is the Skoda Enyaq, and that's absolutely with good reason, there is just about nothing to fault on that car IMO, it is also my own personal favorite, although I hate to go mainstream.

To quote Elon Musk:
You'd be a fool to buy ~~anything but~~ a Tesla today.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

I hate crossovers but I actually like the ~~Taycan~~. I love everything Porsche makes. Too bad I'll never be able to afford one.

I didn't know they had an electric version of the ~~Taycan~~. That's awesome.

Edit - Macan not Taycan

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I'll never afford that either. But if the xiaomi su7 was available here at the typical China price + 50%, I'd seriously consider that.
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-xiaomi-su7-review-international-first-drive/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Are those switches below the screen programmable? If so that's really awesome.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

There has never been a non-electric Taycan, it has always been a pure battery EV

It's also not a crossover. Sedan or wagon. And I can say firsthand that the wagon is outstanding

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

You are correct on all counts. I was thinking of the Macan. Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (5 children)

To be honest, VW EVs are extremely boring and overpriced. I would rather buy Volvo, Polestar, KIA or Hyundai. The fully specced ID.3 is something like 53K which is insane for such a small car. Their cars are simply uninspiring.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

try a Taycan if you ever get a chance! not literally VW but definitely not boring

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Even the ~~Taycan~~? It's the only crossover I like. But yeah way overpriced.

Edit- Macan not Taycan

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

not a crossover! not even remotely close

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

You are correct, I was thinking of the Macan. Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe you're talking about the previous models? The platform starting with ID.7 is amazing. Yes, I replaced my Tesla with an ID.7. Two of my friends waited a bit longer and grabbed the GTX ID.7 Tourer model instead - now voted best EV of 2024.

The price of my ID.7 was slightly more than the much smaller Model 3, and way cheaper than Polestar and KIA.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

The problem I have with id7 is that it is bigger on the outside, smaller on the inside and not as fun to drive. Having said that, I recently got to drive a new Model3 and the changes the last 5 years has not done it any favours. Quieter, yes, but that's about it for the positives.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

You might not like the interior/exterior changes other than the reduced noise, but it's also much more aerodynamic, and it is exceeding the range estimates even on 70mph tests instead of rapidly dropping off below estimates at those speeds (which the tests aren't meant for). That's also a big improvement. That and noise are the big ones IMO.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Sure, better range is always nice, if that's the case, but I didn't drive it enough to be able to come to that conclusion. The power usage from previous owners was as expected, though.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Personally the ID3 is a bit too small for me, but the ID4 is pretty good, but the Skoda Enyaq is just a tad better.
If you want something more interesting maybe the Cupra Born is more your style.
But the cars you mention also have their benefits, Kia and Hyundai have more features as standard, but it's not quite the quality of VW from what I understand from reviewers.
If you want something that isn't boring there is also BMW, but they are a bit expensive IMO.
Polestar is a bit of a mixed bag from what I understand, and they have financial difficulties. But some people seem to simply love them.
There is also the Ford Explorer, which is also built by VW on the MEB platform.

I agree VW and the Skoda Enyaq are a bit boring,for instance the speeder is calibrated so it doesn't jerk the car when floored, it's designed and built to be safe, practical, reliable and comfortable.
I guess it doesn't get much more boring than that, but it is also makes it a very pleasant car to drive and use.

Anyways we certainly have many great alternatives to Tesla now, also without having to go Chinese.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I had never seen the Born before. To me it looks just about as bland as anything. What makes it interesting to you?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

It's a more sporty hatchback, not one of those bulky SUV cars. A heck of a lot prettier than Polestar and KIA. The new KIA 3 is outright ugly IMO.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

I hadn't heard of VW MEB and searching it says they just cancelled it because of poor sales?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 20 hours ago

Best news I've read all day.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

But this is hitting EVERY ev carmaker in Europe. Germany ended its subsides to ev this December.

This has obviously impacted sales. Volkswagen, Volvo, Hyundai. All have been hit.

The only one that was not impacted that much was BMW.

This is nothing to celebrate. Ev adoption on Europe has been dropping steadily.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Companies like VW are getting raped in China where a substantial amount of their profits come from though due to their current EV positioning and it's causing them catastrophic problems in the EU. Deiss the old CEO was warning about needing to cut back and refocus because of this and they kicked him out. Now the new CEO is saying the same thing but the delay has made it even worse, and the union, as expected, is fighting it. VW is in serious trouble right now.

Edit: Looks like new news on this yesterday, 35k jobs cut (25% of workforce), but no factory closures, and a reduction in 700k vehicles/y. Also no raises for 4 years.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/rapprochement-between-volkswagen-union-wage-talks-sources-say-2024-12-20/

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